Cavs Eye Jamison (SI trade article)

Lee3370 said:

If MB really thinks what wally brings is essential, then anwtan makes alot of sense. He basically is a much better (and less injured) form of wally. Undersized pf or slow sf who can shoot but struggles on defense. He could be instant offense off the bench.

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Come playoff time I prefer AJ's game than Wally's..AJ can get his shot and doesn't press as much as Wally does..

When Wally is good, he is very good. However, when Wally is bad, he is pretty bad. Unfortunately Gibson is not playing well so when he and Wally are not shooting well that really hurts and James gets in one of his "do it all myself" modes, which results in zero ball movement. When James is on it doesn't matter but if the long jumpers aren't falling the team struggles to hold on.

I personally don't think this would be a terrible contract. AJ is a baller, he basically carried that team on his back last year. He's one of the only guys on that team I didn't want to strangle. I agree with above, he is a great player, maybe not a freak athletically.

Plus I agree I think ( I think), that I would prefer JJ and Antwain to Amare. Amare appears to have a bad attitude at times, wants to be numero uno. He will never be that here.

I am intritgued with the possibilty of getting Jameson, I think he just wants to win, and I'm down with that. Not to mention it gives us another guy who can put up 30 any given night, even off the bench. What more could you want?

I guess only time will tell.

I don't know if this matters but in the bottom line thing in ESPN they passed up "Cavs interest in acquiring Antwan Jamison", it wouldn't be there if it didn't have a little bit of chance of a happening right?

anything is possible right up to 2:59 PM on Thursday.

Green Lantern said:

Come playoff time I prefer AJ's game than Wally's..AJ can get his shot and doesn't press as much as Wally does..

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agreed, my only problem is wally expires, antawn is owed for 3 years after this one at 11, 13 and 15 million and is already 32. That said, a 35 year old can be effective in the nba, just paying him 15 million scares me, but in the end, its not my money and he is a definate upgrade over wally that is signed long term.

I wanted to post something to help ease the concerns about obtaining a guy like Jamison. The knock on him is that he's 32 and will be 35 when the contract expires and he's going to make 13-15 mil a year each year. That's a lot of money to spend on an 'aging' star. I wanted to compare his numbers with other guys from the ages of 32-35. I selected guys who were close to his level of production at age 32 and saw how they aged. Now not everyone is a perfect match but this should give you some good perspective on how he will age.

Jamison is currently averaging 21 and 9 at the age of 32. Here are some comparrable guys from the history of the NBA.

Dan Issel: from 32-35 he average 21.5ppg and 7.5 rpg
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/isselda01.html

Julius Erving: from 32-35 he average 20ppg and 6.5rpg
Yes I know Jamison is not DrJ, by no means am I saying he is, for one; Drj was a SF while Jamison leans more towards a PF than SF. But as you can see there aren't many guys in the history of the NBA who have been 21 and 9 productive at the age of 32. And the ones that did continued to produce those numbers through 35-36 yrs old.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ervinju01.html

Elvin Hayes: 20 ppg and 11.5rpg
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hayesel01.html

Elgin Baylor: 25.5ppg, 11rpg
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bayloel01.html

Now I have put some big time names out there I know. Please please please do not infer that Jamison is just as good as Baylor, Hayes, and DrJ because he is NOT. I am just trying to show you that in the history of the NBA there haven't been many guys that produce big point and rebound numbers at age 32. And the ones that do, keep that production up for another 3-4 years.

Basically, Jamison has a good probability of being productive at the end of his contract.

Jamisons 21 and 9 for Wallys contract and his 8 ppg??

No freaking brainer.

Plus Jamison has no problem coming off the bench?

He provides an inside outside game. Inside especially. Z, Ben and AV are less than impressive offensively down low.

We might have to take back Etan Thomas to match salaries, but a backup center for the playoffs???

I think so.

The Cavaliers need to win now while the window is open.

Jamisons defense cannot be worse than one-legged Wall-E.

Plus us getting two of our guards back will soften the loss of losing Wally.


GET IT DONE FERRY!

I would imagine this deal may snag because of the draft pick. No way they ship us this year's unprotected pick. Even in a weaker draft, that is gold. Now, how long that pick will remain protected, I don't know. But, to me, if we have to eat a contract like Etan's, the pick is a deal breaker. Maybe if it was only protected for this draft, but I still don't see WAS doing that. That team is always one injury away from the lottery. If Gil were to go down again next year, WAS would be staring at yet another top5 lottery pick.

I thought someone said Thomas was out for the season?

This may have been discussed already, but I really do not like this article.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/57344/20090218/wizards_wont_trade_jamison_butler/


Anyone think this is just a smoke screen? I mean the Wizards are going nowhere, if they stay intact they probably cannot even pay for their draft pick next year. I can't see how Washington would not jump at a Wally & JJ for Antawn and Thomas.

One other thing about Jamison...his most efficient year was when he was a sixth man....he shot 53% and 40% from three that year. Why? He was on a very good team, the floor was spaced and he took advantage of that.

I say he will be productive through the end of the contract because of his skills...he doesn't rely on jumping higher...he is a good positional rebounder and a great shot maker in traffic.

He also does something Amare can't, he can hit the three, so he spreads the floor more for Lebron to drive the lane...and he is just a good guy, he will do whatever it takes to win.

And we could go really big with him at times:
Z
Andy
Jamison
Lebron
Mo

Or small
Andy
Jamison
Lebron
West
Mo

and If we get Etan, that would be a good thing, he could give us a good 5 to 10 minutes a night if needed (can't be worse than wright, can he?)

Doesn't a 36-year-old Antawn Jamison project out to look a lot like the current, 33-year-old version of Joe Smith? That's a useful player, but playing $15M for that player seems like a problem.

I'm sure the CAVs are not offering Wally and JJ for AJ and Thomas.

What if Ferry could drag that pick out of the Wiz and make it top 5 protected this year, then unprotected next, or what if it was top 10 this year, then unprotected? I still think if we got the #11 over all in the draft it would be enough to trade for Bosh at the draft.