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Week 8: Browns @ Seahawks 4PM

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David. said:
35 yards in 20 seconds left to account for
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You keep saying 20 seconds and I'm not sure how you're getting that.

The punt wouldn't have taken 20 seconds.

Regardless they scored with 38 seconds left anyway without even using their two timeouts.
 
CBBI said:
The conversion rate on 3rd and 3 is much higher passing than it is running.

Yes it's more risky, but you're playing to win the game.
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We already had the lead

The choce of possible first down and less inherent risk on run play vs higher first down percentage and more inherent risk on a pass play is not “playing scared or playing not to lose”
 
Los216 said:
He didn't force it. Jamal Adams didn't even make the play. The ball bounced off his helmet.

Jerome Ford was wide open for a 5 yard check down.
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How many wide open check-downs in row did PJ have absolutely no clue were there? 7, 8, 9? 10 in a row? He wasn’t coming off option 1 there just like he didn’t the last 10 times. Run a draw. Let Myles try to win it for you.
 
MirORich said:
The clock argument holds no weight for me. On 3 and 3….

Passing play may have higher statistical chance of 1st down success but it also has a higher rate of inherent risk

Run play from the down and distance still has chance of first down and less inherent risk.

If first down fails, you give your defense a much better scenario, with SEA having to drive 75-90 yards instead of 45

The assumption that just because they scored after the turnover means they would have also easily scored starting at the 15-20 is a bad one.

For this game, this scenario, this personnel, the way he had chosen to call the game in the entire 4th quarter, running was the right play
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There is no higher rate of risk. The reason why tams pass 10/10 there is because the clock is stopping no matter what and passing opens up your entire playbook.

Running the ball there is conceding and playing scared.
 
They should have run on the last drive when it was 3rd and 3 and they trusted PJ to one-hop a pass to a receiver that was going to be short of the sticks even if he caught it.

You could make an argument if the Browns run game was stagnant, but Hunt was killing Seattle in short yardage. Just flat out bad. No way around it.
 
CBBI said:
You keep saying 20 seconds and I'm not sure how you're getting that.

The punt wouldn't have taken 20 seconds.

Regardless they scored with 38 seconds left anyway without even using their two timeouts.
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Ok ten seconds.

This is the third post about it, it's not really significant

It was obviously the wrong call. Pj walker is only a "professional" bc we're the only team that would have paid him this year and we traded away our actual backup QB.

You can not give him a chance to give the ball away in that situation
 
DocSaric said:
How many wide open check-downs in row did PJ have absolutely no clue were there? 7, 8, 9? 10 in a row? He wasn’t coming off option 1 there just like he didn’t the last 10 times. Run a draw. Let Myles try to win it for you.
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The defense had a chance to win it anyway and they didn't so.........................
 
Los216 said:
The defense had a chance to win it anyway and they didn't so.........................
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Fresh at the 40 something and no momentum.. meh

Punt pins the offense inside the 10, momentum shift
 
Soar said:
Whatever.. We lost

That's the outcome

Being right about what should have happened doesn't matter.

Running the ball made sense there.

They weren't stopping it... at worst we make them drive 80 to win it.

I don't care what "every NFL team might have done" It is PJ Walker... a guy who almost threw an int vs the 49ers at the end.

4-3

That's the record. Should be 5-2.
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No we deserved to lose to both the Niners and Colts so by your logic, their record should be 3-4.
 
Los216 said:
There is no higher rate of risk. The reason why tams pass 10/10 there is because the clock is stopping no matter what and passing opens up your entire playbook.

Running the ball there is conceding and playing scared.
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What's the probability of an interception on a run play?

Of course it's a higher rate of risk
 
I think PJ is playing really well and Stefanski called a hell of a game. Wish our D could have put up some more resistance at the end, but that’s always tough in the last 2 minutes off a TO. Bad break with the helmet ball that shot directly up.
 
Real Deal said:
Fresh at the 40 something and no momentum.. meh
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Nah man. Get a stop. SEA gets paid too. Get a stop. Momentum isn't an excuse. If it was then we wouldn't have been in 3rd and 3 anyway and one of those last 2 runs would've went for a first down but it didn't.
 
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