View Poll Results: Who Will Win the 2012 Presidential Election?

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  • Barack Obama

    70 60.87%
  • Mitt Romney

    42 36.52%
  • Electoral College Tie

    3 2.61%
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    Quote Originally Posted by cavsfan1985 View Post
    Your graph does not show if they were to 55 or older. So I fail to see your point. I am thinking you thought he said part time jobs to 55 and older, but be was saying part time and 55 and older.
    read it again

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    Quote Originally Posted by KI4MVP View Post
    read it again
    I'd rather stay out of this dispute between you two, because, frankly, I don't give two shits about it. But, did you read the link that was in his quote?

    his much has been known. What has gotten far less prominence is that of the much trumpeted 4+ million jobs added since the trough in late 2009, virtually all the job additions have gone to (part-time) workers 55 years and over. Indeed, as the chart below shows, starting since the official NBER end of the recession in June 2009, the US has cumulatively added 2.9 million jobs. However, when broken down by age cohort, 3.5 million of these jobs have gone to US workers aged between 55 and 69. Another 729K have gone to recent college grads aged 20-24.
    Same link as before: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-1...der-no-job-you

    He's talking about where those jobs are going.. you seem to have either ignored that to just post that chart or didn't understand what he was saying. (Or possibly, neither of you understood the article that was linked.)

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    wait a minute, is Jigo a mod now? I'm seeing red letters. good work Jigo

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    wait a minute, is Jigo a mod now? I'm seeing red letters. good work Jigo
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcortell View Post
    I'd rather stay out of this dispute between you two, because, frankly, I don't give two shits about it. But, did you read the link that was in his quote?


    Same link as before: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-1...der-no-job-you

    He's talking about where those jobs are going.. you seem to have either ignored that to just post that chart or didn't understand what he was saying. (Or possibly, neither of you understood the article that was linked.)
    I contend the article is flawed. I showed a bunch of new full time jobs with good salaries, the link that keeps getting posted on an anit-obama site contends there are instead a bunch of low income part time jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KI4MVP View Post
    I contend the article is flawed. I showed a bunch of new full time jobs with good salaries, the link that keeps getting posted on an anit-obama site contends there are instead a bunch of low income part time jobs.
    And at the end of the day, the stat that truly matters the most, is fewer Americans are working today than when he was handed the presidancy in 2008. That is a horrific stat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KI4MVP View Post
    I contend the article is flawed. I showed a bunch of new full time jobs with good salaries, the link that keeps getting posted on an anit-obama site contends there are instead a bunch of low income part time jobs.
    It's possible that it is flawed, but that picture doesn't mention anything about being full time employment (or the age groups), so I'm not sure why you keep trying to use it as a be all, end all point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KI4MVP View Post
    I contend the article is flawed. I showed a bunch of new full time jobs with good salaries, the link that keeps getting posted on an anit-obama site contends there are instead a bunch of low income part time jobs.
    The chart below shows the cumulative jobs gains for those aged 20-24 (red) and 55-69 (gray). The ones below the X-axis, the cumulative job losses, are for those aged 16-19 (green) and 25-54 (blue).

    The article and chart don't dispute that ANY full time jobs in those industries occured. It shows that NET jobs created primarily were part time jobs to those 55 and older. Think Walmart greeter and Walgreen's checkout ladies. Your figures from February 2010, if you look at the ZeroHedge chart, would have been after a 1.5 million cumulative job loss had occured with December 2009 being the low point. I wonder what that chart would have looked like from July 2009 to compare with ZeroHedge, or January 2009 when Obama took office.

    The second chart on the ZeroHedge site shows no net jobs for those aged 25-54 since September 2009. So some industries might have hired, but others fired. Ages 16-19 lost a couple hundred thousand jobs, 20-24 gained almost a million, and the rest of the 4.2 million jobs came from 55 or older. I'm not sure how a recovery doesn't create net jobs in three years to the biggest part of its workforce, between 25 and 54 year olds.

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    wait a minute, is Jigo a mod now? I'm seeing red letters. good work Jigo
    Sorry on your color blindness.

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    And here comes the walk back from Dick Morris and Karl Rove. The rats are fleeing the ship.

    By Tuesday morning we will all be Nate Silver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noonan View Post
    And here comes the walk back from Dick Morris and Karl Rove. The rats are fleeing the ship.

    By Tuesday morning we will all be Nate Silver.
    Who is going to take the blame for this one?

    Mitt himself? Paul Ryan? Hurricane Sandy? The Electoral College?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgm405 View Post
    Who is going to take the blame for this one?

    Mitt himself? Paul Ryan? Hurricane Sandy? The Electoral College?
    Sandy will get the blame, even though Romney's "momentum" stalled a couple weeks ago. Democrats would do the same thing. You have to give the impression of a winning campaign to help build enthusiasm. But the numbers just aren't there. And now GOP pundits promising a big win will slowly head to the exits.

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    And here comes the walk back from Dick Morris and Karl Rove. The rats are fleeing the ship.

    By Tuesday morning we will all be Nate Silver.

    Nate has a great article out this morning, in which the title says it all For romney to win state polls must be stastically biased

    basically this is a done deal, unless it comes out that every single state poll out there was mis-sampling the voting population that favored obama, and the percentages of that are pretty limited, however not impossible (specifically around 16%). However its important to note (as nate says), there is also a 16% chance that the polls are favoring Romney and this thing could be a total blowout
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    Assuming Romney loses, any guesses on the 2016 Matchup?

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