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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassity14 View Post
    I disagree with this sentiment and I grow tired of hearing it over and over. The difference between someone like Kyrie and Chris Paul is evident. John Wall has averaged over 8 assists per game in his career, does he have better teammates too? Kyrie struggles to pace everyone else around him. Kyrie does not dish to open teammates out of an isolation play nearly enough, this was evidenced in the game against San Antonio. It's not as easy as saying "well his teammates miss 3 shots every game so he should have 3 more assists per game".

    Every team, every player misses good looks in this league. Kyrie is not yet as good as many others at creating a multitude of easy looks for his teammates and then finding them for easy scores. In that regard, he is still too much like Derrick Rose/Russell Westbrook and not enough like CP3 or Nash. What I'm saying is he possesses elite scoring and playmaking ability, but the playmaking doesn't come until the scoring goes. I'm not talking about raw assists per game but his ability to sense pace and understand what's happening around him. He has room to improve in that area, and there's no reason to believe that he won't improve.
    his teammates collectively shoot about 10% below the league average, which effectively bumps his assist total down by about 10% just on the passes he already makes. John Wall gets more assists, but John Wall should be passing more than Kyrie because John Wall is a poor shooter. .428 from the field, .077 from 3. 12 wizards have a better eFG% than John Wall's .430. On the cavs, only new addition Wayne Ellington, who is almost never on the court with Kyrie, has a better eFG% than Irving's .519. Swap the players and you would have the same thing. Irving would be 2nd best on the wizards, Wall would be 13th best on the cavs.

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    It's hard to say that this is what Kyire lacks, because it's a subjective attribute and it's not like that type of awareness is commonplace. And at times, you can see it with Kyrie. Must remind myself that Paul has 7+ years on him
    I think Paul has always been ahead of Kyrie in terms of playmaking skills, but there is a growth curve for PGs, and it can be pretty damn long. It's not clear to me that there isn't anything Kyrie can't learn to do if he starts trying to do it, and I think Byron will nudge him to focus on it this off-season. Typically you sit a young PG down and make him really watch and break down how someone like Paul runs a team in the playoffs. Maybe there's still even something left to glean from Kidd.

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    Great to see the soundbites. Looks like the other all stars really respect him

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    "That kid's special." - Tyson Chandler

    Yes, Tyson, yes he is.

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    Kyrie is a bad man... just think all the "experts" said there wasn't a superstar in that draft.... he is on his way to superstardom in a hurry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czvosec View Post
    "That kid's special." - Tyson Chandler

    Yes, Tyson, yes he is.
    Yeah, that was a nice exchange:

    Chandler - "That kids special".
    Garnett - "I ain't ever seen young fella dunk"
    Chandler - "Oh, he can get up now!".

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    Quote Originally Posted by wremy View Post
    Kyrie is a bad man... just think all the "experts" said there wasn't a superstar in that draft.... he is on his way to superstardom in a hurry
    There are too many quotes from those "experts" that just crack me up.

    "There's no John Wall in this draft"
    "Cleveland should take Derrick Williams and Brandon Knight"
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    Bill Simmons was one of those "Cavs should take Derrick Williams" guys. Regrettable moment for him.

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    There are too many quotes from those "experts" that just crack me up.

    "There's no John Wall in this draft"
    "Cleveland should take Derrick Williams and Brandon Knight"
    etc.

    Honestly at the beginning I felt Williams and Knight or Kyrie and Klay Thompson....and I wasn't sure ... but as it got closer I was all for Kyrie and Klay .. I think TT has come on and made that pick look alot better though

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    Quote Originally Posted by wremy View Post
    Honestly at the beginning I felt Williams and Knight or Kyrie and Klay Thompson....and I wasn't sure ... but as it got closer I was all for Kyrie and Klay .. I think TT has come on and made that pick look alot better though
    I always wanted Kyrie #1 but I also wanted us to try to move up and get Williams at #2. Sure glad we didn't do that. After Williams was off the board I really had no idea who I wanted us to pick, so the TT "reach" didn't really bother me at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoes22 View Post
    Bill Simmons was one of those "Cavs should take Derrick Williams" guys. Regrettable moment for him.
    Pretty sure his exact description on his Chad Ford draft podcast was "A Poor Man's Mike Conley"

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    Paul definitely showed Kyrie a thing or two I think and that is the best thing Kyrie could see. I will say the West gave Paul complete control of their squad when he was in the game. Kyrie was never given control of the team as Lebron brought it up more times; which he regrettably deserves to do. I think if the reigns were given to Irving to run the team the results would have been different. Saying that; he doesn't deserve that "right" yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amil99 View Post


    Great to see the soundbites. Looks like the other all stars really respect him
    Great vid bro..Funny hearin KG like "I aint know he can dunk" Then Tyson said "Naw he can get up now" lol

    Yeah man dude can WINDMILL......I wish hed throw some more dunks out every now and then in games

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    Dan Patrick giving Kyrie some love on his show today.
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