Diet and Workout Routines

[PosterTime]

I'm so sick of being a skinny little bitch.

I've been working out for months, but my small gym at home doesn't even compare to the university gym. Not to mention the meal plan. One more week until massive gym and unlimited:fats,carbs,protein! I've been gaining strength on all of my lifts but I haven't gained much mass. This is clearly due to me not meeting my macros/not eating over my maintenance calories.

My biggest issue is that I can't eat whatever the hell I want because I'm trying to keep my acne under control. I miss the days of being able to smash down a whole XL pizza. Bulking would be damn easy that way

[Aussie]

I'm so sick of being a skinny little bitch.

I've been working out for months, but my small gym at home doesn't even compare to the university gym. Not to mention the meal plan. One more week until massive gym and unlimited:fats,carbs,protein! I've been gaining strength on all of my lifts but I haven't gained much mass. This is clearly due to me not meeting my macros/not eating over my maintenance calories.

My biggest issue is that I can't eat whatever the hell I want because I'm trying to keep my acne under control. I miss the days of being able to smash down a whole XL pizza. Bulking would be damn easy that way

Because eating Pizza is exactly how you want to put on weight

[PosterTime]

Because eating Pizza is exactly how you want to put on weight

Because I was serious...

[Numbers Guy]

I have this terrible pain in the center of my back to the right a few inches.. right around the end of my scapula bone. It has gotten progressively worse the past few days to the point where picking up anything light even hurts. I just put a shit ton of Bengay on it and it feels much better already but it hurt to the touch just rubbing it on. It kind of feels like a pinched nerve and there is a tender bulge in that area.. hopefully i can get it to heal within the next few days so I can pick it back up.

[McIntyre]

Sounds like you have an inflamed S.I.T.S muscle (Rotator cuff). You probably should take it easy, if you're lifting, I wouldn't lift for a good while. Definitely see a doctor if it's not better within a week. I hope you don't have a torn muscle.

[Dave K]

Gour, could use some advice. Im not happy with this cycle. My lbm percentage is good, but I shouldnt have started til I lost more weight. Im thinking about changing this cycle up...

8 weeks npp prop, followed by 8 weeks tren a and prop. Could you tell me a little bit more about tren? its really hard to get a good source of info on a few specific cocepts in regards to it.. Firstly, I think its safe to do this swap (maybe cut the npp a week early so its out of the system before the tren hits). But isnt there 2 ways to do tren? Calorie restricted vs. bulk? What are the expected results from each of these? ballpark?

Somethigns not right with this cycle.. dont think my caber is legit, sex drive is nonexistant. Thought about bumping my test, but im way over where I should be in hohw much test I should have left for aother 6 weeks.. dunno if there was less than there should have been or I fucked up somewhere along the line, but it doesnt add up. ANyways, This is my second cycle and second most important. I wouldnt mind going an extra 6 weeks while im still super responsive to aas.

[gourimoko]

Gour, could use some advice. Im not happy with this cycle. My lbm percentage is good, but I shouldnt have started til I lost more weight. Im thinking about changing this cycle up...

Let's start there.. What's your height/weight and bf%. Also, are you using calipers or electrical impedance for measurement? What's your last cycle, PCT, and cut phase.. Didn't you just come off straight Prop? So you PCT'd, but how did you cut and how much muscle did you lose in the process? How much fat gain during the cycle?

8 weeks npp prop, followed by 8 weeks tren a and prop. Could you tell me a little bit more about tren? its really hard to get a good source of info on a few specific cocepts in regards to it.. Firstly, I think its safe to do this swap (maybe cut the npp a week early so its out of the system before the tren hits). But isnt there 2 ways to do tren? Calorie restricted vs. bulk? What are the expected results from each of these? ballpark?

As far as tren, you're right you can go hella bulk or "calorie restricted." But it's not a caloric deficit, it's just a very lean macro breakdown. That's what I'm finishing as we speak. I've gained 20 lbs and averaging my morning/night impedance measurements I've lost significant bf%. Without looking at my chart, I've only gained between 2-4 lbs of actual fat and gone up only 2" on my waist. My diet is 70p/20c/10f on lifting days with carb restrictions (between 20-40g total) on non-lifting days.

As far as how to run it.. If you're going for a short cycle, you run Test with Tren for the duration plus 4 weeks minimum. That's why a lot of people just run Test E with Tren-Ace because you're primary bulk is coming from the Tren anyway, and Test E as you know is much easier to inject. I normally run Tren for only 8 weeks starting from the first week of the cycle with every week after those 8 just being used to maintain my gains (using Test). When you run PCT, I would strongly recommend even a mild dose of 40-80mg ED of Clen! It's a mild anabolic steroid that will also act as an extreme thermogenic, but most importantly it will help you keep your gains with its anabolic properties, nearly nonexistent androgenic effects, and most importantly by reducing the cutting period

Somethigns not right with this cycle.. dont think my caber is legit, sex drive is nonexistant.

You gotta test the caber before you start the cycle bro.. I have caber too and it's never not been effective for me.. However, everyone's different. My boy at the gym says caber doesn't do shit, but he's running dbol and deca so he thought the caber might prevent shutdown.. Didn't work. Personally, I wouldn't worry about it too much unless you've got a steady girl and she needs the dick. I just dose on caber, take the super soldier serum before I go out, and I'm good to go.. I just did this last night, btw...

Thought about bumping my test, but im way over where I should be in hohw much test I should have left for aother 6 weeks.. dunno if there was less than there should have been or I fucked up somewhere along the line, but it doesnt add up. ANyways, This is my second cycle and second most important. I wouldnt mind going an extra 6 weeks while im still super responsive to aas.

Did you not measure what you had accurately? Hard to imagine having more towards the end of a cycle unless one missed an injection or injected the wrong shit.. But I never extend cycles. I run them for the allotted time, and then come off. I always run shorter cycles, and I use stronger AAS like Tren so that I can get the most bang for my buck (coupled with Test). I think that when you start modifying the plan mid-way, especially looking to extend or add shit, that's when you can end up getting undesirable effects. I find that 8-12 weeks is long enough.

But honestly man, reading your post, it sounds like your ready for a more advanced cycle. I would look into customizing a stack to suit your needs. There are so many AAS out there besides Testosterone. That, to me, is just the foundation - it's like pizza dough - you just add what you want on top and can have a myriad of different results based on the combinations. But I would definitely look into running one to three AAS simultaneously on your next go round, and if LBM is a goal (it is my #1 goal), then consider a cutting cycle with Tren/Winstrol, especially if you already have sufficient muscle mass and your lifts are where you want them. Get that bf% down and work your way back up.

Lemme know whats good bro!

EDIT: dunno if I was clear about dosing, but you are always on Test for the duration of the entire cycle. You're only on Tren for the beginning and middle. So if you're going 12 weeks, the first 8 are Test P/E + Tren Ace, with the last 8 being just Test and maybe some Winny if you want. After that, 4 weeks Nolva/Clomid and Clen (80mg is enough, don't take Ephedrine simultaneously or you will die).

[Dave K]

Let's start there.. What's your height/weight and bf%. Also, are you using calipers or electrical impedance for measurement? What's your last cycle, PCT, and cut phase.. Didn't you just come off straight Prop? So you PCT'd, but how did you cut and how much muscle did you lose in the process? How much fat gain during the cycle?

Im 5'10 210 at 20%.. 10% is the goal, I jumped the gun on my second cycle using 'whats the point of losing some muscle while cutting prepping for the next cycle?" as justification. I didnt take enough measurements before I started, all I know is that I was 172 and probably around 13% before my first cycle. I went up to 210 at peak, but I didnt use an AI and lost a shit ton of water weight literally overnight (my estimation, 8 lbs). After that, I lost an additional 10-14 lbs before starting up again at 192. Weight fluctuates, im somewhere between 204 and 212 (lol). Last cycle was just Enanth, Im 4-5 weeks in on Prop and NPP. As far as the confusion with the measurements of the pins, I even contacted my supplier because it just wasnt adding up.. Im careful as fuck and am in school to be an accountant.. 1.4ml every 3.5 days for 10 weeks should be 5 vials with some room to spare... Im exactly halfway through and I think I have like 1 ml left in my 3rd vial. Cant make a measurement on the vial, nothing to judge it by.. its full to the top, I just pull 1.4ml every other day and inject.

im getting my measurements from tape measurer.

As far as tren, you're right you can go hella bulk or "calorie restricted." But it's not a caloric deficit, it's just a very lean macro breakdown. That's what I'm finishing as we speak. I've gained 20 lbs and averaging my morning/night impedance measurements I've lost significant bf%. Without looking at my chart, I've only gained between 2-4 lbs of actual fat and gone up only 2" on my waist. My diet is 70p/20c/10f on lifting days with carb restrictions (between 20-40g total) on non-lifting days.

Thats a fuckig hell of a cycle. 20lb straight muscle is ridiculous, some reason I thought you were barely gaining at all.

Ive done a lot of research on tren but its been awhile since I looked at it. I keep forgetting that it doesnt actually burn fat, some people just use it to preserve muscle while dieting (but why would you do that, because steroids are for bulking and diet is for losing weight). I was under the impression that maybe I wasnt gaining more LBM to fat (about 65-35% ratio) because i wasnt getting enough carbs in, but if youre doing what youre doing without any carbs then maybe its just not enough protein. Ill kick it up another 50g.

As far as how to run it.. If you're going for a short cycle, you run Test with Tren for the duration plus 4 weeks minimum. That's why a lot of people just run Test E with Tren-Ace because you're primary bulk is coming from the Tren anyway, and Test E as you know is much easier to inject. I normally run Tren for only 8 weeks starting from the first week of the cycle with every week after those 8 just being used to maintain my gains (using Test). When you run PCT, I would strongly recommend even a mild dose of 40-80mg ED of Clen! It's a mild anabolic steroid that will also act as an extreme thermogenic, but most importantly it will help you keep your gains with its anabolic properties, nearly nonexistent androgenic effects, and most importantly by reducing the cutting period

See I was gonna just grin and bear it through cutting and keep eating because I jumped the gun and started dropping cal halfway through PCT last cycle because I wasnt happy with the bf% and thought I lost a couple lbs of muscle in the process.. im gonna have to research clen more. I just dont want to fuck with those gains by cutting too quickly, theyre not easy to come by.

You gotta test the caber before you start the cycle bro.. I have caber too and it's never not been effective for me.. However, everyone's different. My boy at the gym says caber doesn't do shit, but he's running dbol and deca so he thought the caber might prevent shutdown.. Didn't work. Personally, I wouldn't worry about it too much unless you've got a steady girl and she needs the dick. I just dose on caber, take the super soldier serum before I go out, and I'm good to go.. I just did this last night, btw...

I heard if you take caber without aas it fucks you up somehow, I forget.. but the source has been getting some shit reviews lately; one dude straight up said that the caber was just viagra. Its weird, for like 3 weeks sex was all there was in the brain (thought caber was working) and now its non existent.. I dont really understand.. im not dosing higher on my npp or anything..

Did you not measure what you had accurately? Hard to imagine having more towards the end of a cycle unless one missed an injection or injected the wrong shit.. But I never extend cycles. I run them for the allotted time, and then come off. I always run shorter cycles, and I use stronger AAS like Tren so that I can get the most bang for my buck (coupled with Test). I think that when you start modifying the plan mid-way, especially looking to extend or add shit, that's when you can end up getting undesirable effects. I find that 8-12 weeks is long enough.

My thought was just 'why bother waiting for the next cycle? why not just run another immediately with tren (thinking you cut fat and gain at the same time, or supershred fat, which isnt the case). I still dont know wat Im going to do, ut another factor is that Im going to be starting school in a few weeks and dont want that to happen while Im not producing any testosterone. Lengthening would be a good thing.

But honestly man, reading your post, it sounds like your ready for a more advanced cycle. I would look into customizing a stack to suit your needs. There are so many AAS out there besides Testosterone. That, to me, is just the foundation - it's like pizza dough - you just add what you want on top and can have a myriad of different results based on the combinations. But I would definitely look into running one to three AAS simultaneously on your next go round, and if LBM is a goal (it is my #1 goal), then consider a cutting cycle with Tren/Winstrol, especially if you already have sufficient muscle mass and your lifts are where you want them. Get that bf% down and work your way back up.

Lemme know whats good bro!

EDIT: dunno if I was clear about dosing, but you are always on Test for the duration of the entire cycle. You're only on Tren for the beginning and middle. So if you're going 12 weeks, the first 8 are Test P/E + Tren Ace, with the last 8 being just Test and maybe some Winny if you want. After that, 4 weeks Nolva/Clomid and Clen (80mg is enough, don't take Ephedrine simultaneously or you will die).

Ya, im good on the pct, I study like a mug. Im not sure I would really benefit from adding a winny or something similar, i have way too much fat too notice increased vascularity to a remarkable degree

[Ohdang]

I started doing an EC stack with fish oil instead of aspirin on Saturday. I'm only doing 12.5mg/100mg per dose so far and I'm freaking wiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeddddddddddd. I have so much energy that I don't know what to do with myself right now. I'm at work so working out isn't an option unfortunately.

Am I going to explode when I ramp up to 25mg/200mg?

[Dave K]

FUCKKKKKK took a few days off from the gym.. kicked the shit out of it tonight, Tri's and chest.. pumps were ridiculous, I feel like a tank and look like a mac truck , just at 20% bf.

[boxxer]

I started doing an EC stack with fish oil instead of aspirin on Saturday. I'm only doing 12.5mg/100mg per dose so far and I'm freaking wiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeddddddddddd. I have so much energy that I don't know what to do with myself right now. I'm at work so working out isn't an option unfortunately.

Am I going to explode when I ramp up to 25mg/200mg?

I was going crazy my first day….then it eased down a little as your body adjusts.
There are days when it feels stronger then others…..like the next couple of days after my first day I didn't really feel it….but when I work out, it sort of puts it into overdrive.

You'll be fine, but I would probably let your body adjust to the 12.5 before you up the dose.

[Ohdang]

I was going crazy my first day….then it eased down a little as your body adjusts.
There are days when it feels stronger then others…..like the next couple of days after my first day I didn't really feel it….but when I work out, it sort of puts it into overdrive.

You'll be fine, but I would probably let your body adjust to the 12.5 before you up the dose.

Yeah, I'm feeling it more today than I was on day one, but I also took twice as much. I just can't believe how energetic I felt. I've had much more caffeine in a day before and never felt that wired.

This is the schedule I'm following:

Week 1 - Day 1 - take a test dose, 12.5mg ephedrine + a small coffee or caffeine pill. You should not have any adverse symptoms.

Week 1 - Day 2-3: Doses 4-6 hours apart: (2×12.5mg E pills per day or 25mg total)

Dose 1 - 12.5mg E, 100mg C
Dose 2 - 12.5mg E, 100mg C

Week 1 - Day 4-7: Doses 4-6 hours apart: (3×12.5mg E pills per day or 37.5mg total)

Dose 1 - 12.5mg E, 100mg C
Dose 2 - 12.5mg E, 100mg C
Dose 3 - 12.5mg E, 100mg C

Week 2 - Day 8-14: Doses 4-6 hours apart: (4× 12.5mg E per day or 50mg total)

Dose 1 - 25mg E, 200mg C
Dose 2 - 12.5mg E, 200mg C
Dose 3 - 12.5mg E, 100mg C

Week 3-10: Doses 4-6 hours apart: (6x 12.5mg E per day or 75mg total)

Dose 1 - 25mg E, 200mg C
Dose 2 - 25mg E, 200mg C
Dose 3 - 25mg E, 200mg C

[boxxer]

I would not take more then 50mg a day, but thats just me……

25mg in the morning and another 25mg around or just after lunch…..should be plenty to get you through the day.

Once you start taking ephedrine later in the day it starts to fuck with your sleep cycle and then you get into the issue of having fucked up dreams and shit.

Just my thoughts…...

[Pick6]

Gonna have some Qs for DaveyK and gour the next few days. Well anybody really. On the last week of my bulk. Need to figure a bunch of shit out

[Mdog1]

Gour since you seem to be highly into the safety of products, and the results and what not I am currently taking Ripped Freak. Will be two weeks thursday that I have been on it. I've been taking two pills a day (as recommended on bottle). My question to you is would it be safe for me to do the ECA stack and continue the use of my Ripped Freak, or would that be etrimental to my health. If you need my h/w/bf% i'm 5'9/246/21% (as of last thursday), and looking to get down to 235 and 14-16% bf.

Edit: For more info i've only been working out since the start of June (took two years off), and i've gone down from 267 to 246 since then. I'm not a "typical" overweight person as I can run about as fast as average people who weigh 40 pounds less than I do, but my problem is no muscle definition what so ever. I'm not strong by any means, but I have gained 50 pounds on my 8 rep dumbell bench press since June (75's).

So my basic problem is I want more definition, but despite getting stronger, and thinner I haven't seemed to get any definition in my upper body.

Thanks in advance for any advice to whoever responds whether it's gour or someone else.