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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdy89 View Post
    Sam Presti is not trading a potential top 5 pick under any circumstance, and any writer who even hints otherwise has not watched how this guy operates.

    Given their cap situation, that pick represents the last real shot they have at infusing that team with another potential impact player for probably the duration of the time they have that core together.

    My guess is he saw that Toronto pick as a chance to draft someone to groom into the Harden role at a fraction of the cost of keeping Harden.

    It would be stunning to see him move that pick when it saves him no money (Perk vs. Andy is a wash financially) and gives up his last chance to get another young impact player that costs the team no money.

    They have the best record in the league right now, and I just can't see him messing with the formula he has going.
    I've vacillated on this, and assumed similarly that Presti would be happy to collect assets to keep pumping talent and cheap contracts in to his team - basically a rebuild while contending plan; but he's a smart GM and I there's no reason he shouldn't be flexible if he feels the right deal comes along, and there's also no reason he wouldn't have faith in his drafting ability no matter where he's picking.

    Also keep in mind that he's double hedged his bets on Harden already by trading for Kevin Martin AND Jeremy Lamb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NIkeL View Post
    How the hell did the Thunder end up with such a valuable pick? When did they get it?
    Houston got it for Kyle Lowry, OKC then got it for James Harden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldin Brown View Post
    I go back and forth on this Andy thing, now I'm thinking we should move him if we can get a nice trade package. I kinda like that Thunder trade idea that was mentioned. We definitely have a lack of talent so if we trade Andy it should be for a few good prospects and a pick. Lamb, JonesIII and that Toronto pick would be a great haul imo. If we can get that then we need to pull the trigger. Give me Perkins in a throw in, I don't care and I think he is more expendable to OKC now that the Lakers are struggling.

    That would give us 3 solid players, 2 with potential to be good players and a pick which could become a good young player. That's 4 guys for Andy and some filler, I think that would be fair value but I don't know that OKC would be willing to part with so much.
    Perk is actually a bad thing. We'd be taking his shitty contract. He's not very good anymore and wouldn't fit our team. It'd be a salary dump.
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    The Thad Young trade is interesting. He'd be a good fit, I think. Young, athletic big who can score. Moultrie has some potential too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Pumped to trade Andy? Pumped?

    With that statement, you're simply not a true fan in my eyes. And all those trade packages suck the big one big time.
    We disagree on the value of Andy and the players discussed in the potential deals. This has no bearing on my status as a true fan. Your opinion does not dictate my status as a true fan.

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    Nope, pretty sure fandom is all about public opinion. ;-)
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    Good article about the happenings with the T-Wolves. Discusses their interest in AV, too

    http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/T..._Varejao121412

    However, team sources maintain that Kahn is not making any calls for now until he sees how point guard Ricky Rubio looks, beginning with his expected season debut on Saturday against Dallas at Target Center.

    That hasn't stopped Kahn from answering the phone, though. League sources insist both Cleveland and Toronto have reached out in recent weeks.

    The Cavaliers are gauging interest in center Anderson Varejao, whom I'm told the Timberwolves like a lot. He's signed through 2015 at less than $10 million per season.

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    Minny can have AV... if they give the Cavs Love. Other than that, no deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zone View Post
    Good article about the happenings with the T-Wolves. Discusses their interest in AV, too

    http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/T..._Varejao121412
    with Pekovic becoming an unrestricted free agent after the season it's tough to find a deal that would help both teams...

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    Cavs seem to have an infatuation with Derrick Williams and it would allow Tristan show off more of his Anderson styled antics.(sans offense and precise passing) It would fit a criteria of what i'd want in terms of getting a young perhaps up and comer and an additional talent in Pekovic.

    Still, moving Anderson would hurt my soul. I'd like to say we could get more...but could we?
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    The Utah deal is one that I actually wouldn't mind.

    Irving, Waiters/Burks, Gee, Millsap/Thompson, Zeller/Kanter... that's a lot of young talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumthemad View Post
    Cavs seem to have an infatuation with Derrick Williams and it would allow Tristan show off more of his Anderson styled antics.(sans offense and precise passing) It would fit a criteria of what i'd want in terms of getting a young perhaps up and comer and an additional talent in Pekovic.

    Still, moving Anderson would hurt my soul. I'd like to say we could get more...but could we?
    Doesn't matter. If we can't get more than Derrick Williams, we shouldn't be trading Andy.

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    this is from Marc Stein's article today:

    Anderson Varejao

    We shared with you in a recent Weekend Dime how one Eastern Conference team official routinely refers to Anderson Varejao's run of double-doubles this season as the Brazilian's "Get Me Out of Cleveland" tour.

    Various teams have chimed in since to say that Varejao is highly available, as he has been for the past few seasons, but likewise expressed a good amount of skepticism about him actually moving before the trade buzzer in February because the Cavs' perpetually high asking price has only gone up.

    The Cavs, sources say, want multiple young assets in return for the 30-year-old, who is averaging 14.3 points and 14.8 rebounds and possesses a very manageable contract that calls for Varejao to receive $9.1 million next season with a $9.8 million team option in 2014-15. The Thunder are the rare title contender also blessed with the sort of youth/stashed draft picks to appeal to Cleveland, but sources say OKC has shown little interest to date.

    We repeat: Varejao certainly hasn't been campaigning for a trade and has established an undeniable on-court connection with Cavs franchise Kyrie Irving. Keeping him wouldn't be the worst outcome, would it? As with Gasol, though, Varejao trade scenarios will continue to circulate -- and not just thanks to media scoundrels like me -- until the day he finally leaves Cleveland.
    http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/p...-trade-targets

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    David Kahn has been answering incoming calls, however. Wolfson reports that the Raptors and Cavaliers have both been in touch with the Wolves, to gauge interest in Andrea Bargnani and Anderson Varejao, respectively. Minnesota likes Varejao a lot, according to Wolfson, though in my opinion it would take a massive package for the Cavs to move him this season.

    http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2012/12/w...-love-roy.html

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    Figured I'd add the "Andy deserves a better team" angle to this thread...

    5 good players in bad situations
    Anderson Varejao, J.J. Redick among players who deserve better teams
    Updated: December 14, 2012, 1:14 PM ET
    By Tom Haberstroh ESPN

    Earlier this week, Insider's David Thorpe examined Brooklyn Nets forward Andray Blatche, a player who needed to be extricated from losing environments to revitalize his career. Now surrounded with star-caliber talent and cohesive locker rooms in the Big Apple, Blatche finally has been able to find productivity and positive progression for his career.

    Blatche demonstrates the power of a change in scenery, but struggling players aren't the only ones who should benefit from a switch in locale. Which players have earned a change of scenery and deserve the chance at playing in a winning environment right now?

    As opposed to Blatche, a bad player who found his greatness in good surroundings, here are five good players in bad situations who deserve to play for better teams.

    Anderson Varejao, Cleveland Cavaliers
    If rebounds signify effort, then it's hard to imagine anyone having more effort go to waste than Varejao this season. The tireless Cavs power forward has pulled down a league-leading, career-high 14.8 rebounds per game this season, but the Cavaliers have only five wins in 23 games to show for it. In fact, Varejao has tallied at least 20 points and 17 rebounds in four games this season and the Cavs have lost all but one of those monster Varejao performances.

    Varejao might be 30 years old and injury-prone in recent seasons, but he's a relative bargain considering he's making half as much as Zach Randolph this season ($8.3 million vs. $16.5 million). Varejao works his tail off, but he's far more skilled than his "energy guy" label suggests. He has almost doubled his assist rate since a season ago despite his teammates shooting a horrendous 39.9 percent this season. He needs some assistance, and Kyrie Irving isn't enough, sadly.

    J.J. Redick, Orlando Magic
    Pop quiz: Who averages the most assists per minute this season among the following group: James Harden, George Hill, Jason Kidd, J.J. Redick or Luke Ridnour? The answer, believe it or not, is Redick -- the same player most casual NBA fans thought would do nothing but shoot at the pro level. It's true; Redick has reinvented himself as an NBA player this season, averaging a career-high 13.8 points and 5.0 assists off the bench for the 8-13 Magic. And he hasn't even caught fire yet from downtown, shooting a career-low 33 percent from beyond the arc.

    At 28, Redick can be a positive influence on the youngsters on the squad, but that shouldn't mean he has to sacrifice minutes when he's playing at this level. Moe Harkless, a rookie the Magic inherited in the Dwight Howard trade, has averaged a paltry 3.6 points per game as a starter, and the Magic offense has been an outright disaster with him on the floor. Redick should play more in Harkless' place, if for no other reason than to spotlight the Duke product for a trade and get top value for him. Memphis could use this former Blue Devil.

    Ed Davis, Toronto Raptors
    Quick, someone rescue Davis before something bad happens. With players-only meetings and injuries to Andrea Bargnani (elbow) and Kyle Lowry (triceps) plaguing the Raptors, the Toronto squad appears to be a sinking ship -- and 23-year-old Davis doesn't deserve to go down with it. The organization should be building around this kid rather than burying him behind Bargnani's bricklaying campaign.

    Now that Bargnani is missing some time with his elbow issue, maybe Toronto will show a least a little more confidence in Davis. Despite playing less than 20 minutes per game so far this season, he's averaging 14.7 points and 12.2 rebounds per 36 minutes (which are Varejao-type numbers). Although Davis might not erupt for 24 points and 12 boards every night the way he did on Wednesday against the Nets, he has showed that he's not just a limited scorer around the rim. Will he continue to shine when Bargnani gets back? If not, let him blossom elsewhere.

    Chuck Hayes, Sacramento Kings
    This is a tough situation. The Kings did right by Hayes after voiding his initial contract offer ahead of the 2010-11 season and then giving him a bigger sum a week later, so it might not sit well if Hayes makes a trade demand to excuse himself from whatever it is the Kings are doing. Despite his generous listed height of 6-foot-6, Hayes remains one of the smartest, craftiest and most unmovable forces in the game. You'd have an easier time making a tank budge than pushing Hayes around on the block.

    Hayes is getting minutes, but it feels misplaced in Sacramento. Hayes' pesky disposition down low gave him the fifth-best ranking in points allowed per post-up play last season, according to SynergySports tracking. A contending team looking for a defensive specialist could use Hayes in a big way, but his $17 million contract through 2014-15 might make a move to a winning club challenging. Hayes for Mike Miller and Josh Harrellson might make sense for both the shooting-starved Kings and the Miami Heat.

    Nene, Washington Wizards
    Like Varejao, Nene is a Brazilian big man who could use a new home. Nene is basically playing on one leg because of a nasty bout of plantar fasciitis, but the rotten environment in Washington isn't exactly the best place to reinvigorate a career. To illustrate how hampered he is, Nene has tallied just one block in nine games this season after averaging one block per game last season.

    Still, Nene has registered a 19.9 PER this season and can still score with the best of them, even if he's more grounded than a curfew-breaking teenager. The situation in Washington couldn't be bleaker, and Nene's $52 million contract and discouraging health issues haven't made the situation any less depressing. It's hard to imagine the Wizards finding a taker for Nene's enormous contract, but that's what we said with Gilbert Arenas, too.

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