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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawduzt View Post
    Yeah he's a decent jumpshot away from being the real deal (needs higher release). His explosiveness reminds me of vince carter. Hey we may actually find out what vince carter with some balls would have become
    Vince Carter had GOAT potential, seriously. If he had the heart of most any other NBA player he could have went down in the top 5. I don't know if Wiggins has the same level of potential as Vince, but he does have a high ceiling from what i've seen. The funny part of talking about Wiggins is that in 2014 he could prove to be Barnes, rather than LeBron, and drop like lead in the draft.

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    Wiggins neck is freaky. It's like Bronchiosaurus build. Maybe that's where he gets all of his power from.

    I gotta try that out. Do like some kettle bell neck pulls, followed by some kettle bell kegels.

    Pray for me.

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    Seriously, have any of you watched Len outside the Kentucky game?

    Fuk outta here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mdog1 View Post
    Vince Carter had GOAT potential, seriously. If he had the heart of most any other NBA player he could have went down in the top 5. I don't know if Wiggins has the same level of potential as Vince, but he does have a high ceiling from what i've seen. The funny part of talking about Wiggins is that in 2014 he could prove to be Barnes, rather than LeBron, and drop like lead in the draft.
    Vince Carter and T-Mac are both in the same boat on this one. Both supremely talented and athletic players who didn't really give a shit until they were at the twilight of their careers. Anyways, I think Jabari Parker is much more likely to be a Barnes type player than Wiggins (don't seem to be elite athletes, have trouble getting their shot off whenever they want). Honestly, at this point Noel is a pretty comfortable #1 for me despite his severe offensive limitations. Get him on the team and it'll change the entire way we play; Kyrie will look a whole lot better with a shotblocker to clean up his mistakes, and he'll ignite our fast break game with all the blocks he'll be getting. It's not like he's lazy too, the kid busts his ass on the court. Get him in the right developmental environment and he could fill the NO Tyson Chandler role to Kyrie's CP3 in a few years (with the potential to be much more).

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    Carter and T-Mac were to busy powertripping. That is one thing I like about Dion, that dude is all business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howler1313 View Post
    Vince Carter and T-Mac are both in the same boat on this one. Both supremely talented and athletic players who didn't really give a shit until they were at the twilight of their careers. Anyways, I think Jabari Parker is much more likely to be a Barnes type player than Wiggins (don't seem to be elite athletes, have trouble getting their shot off whenever they want). Honestly, at this point Noel is a pretty comfortable #1 for me despite his severe offensive limitations. Get him on the team and it'll change the entire way we play; Kyrie will look a whole lot better with a shotblocker to clean up his mistakes, and he'll ignite our fast break game with all the blocks he'll be getting. It's not like he's lazy too, the kid busts his ass on the court. Get him in the right developmental environment and he could fill the NO Tyson Chandler role to Kyrie's CP3 in a few years (with the potential to be much more).
    Actually, at least according to the combine, Barnes is certainly an elite athlete. He has elite speed, agility, and vertical. He's also strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMsDanielGibson View Post
    Actually, at least according to the combine, Barnes is certainly an elite athlete. He has elite speed, agility, and vertical. He's also strong.
    He's a good straight line athlete (better than I gave him credit for coming out of college) but from what I've seen he has average lateral movement and can't change directions with the best of them. Could be wrong though, I haven't seen him much in GSW

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    Quote Originally Posted by howler1313 View Post
    Vince Carter and T-Mac are both in the same boat on this one. Both supremely talented and athletic players who didn't really give a shit until they were at the twilight of their careers. Anyways, I think Jabari Parker is much more likely to be a Barnes type player than Wiggins (don't seem to be elite athletes, have trouble getting their shot off whenever they want). Honestly, at this point Noel is a pretty comfortable #1 for me despite his severe offensive limitations. Get him on the team and it'll change the entire way we play; Kyrie will look a whole lot better with a shotblocker to clean up his mistakes, and he'll ignite our fast break game with all the blocks he'll be getting. It's not like he's lazy too, the kid busts his ass on the court. Get him in the right developmental environment and he could fill the NO Tyson Chandler role to Kyrie's CP3 in a few years (with the potential to be much more).
    After watching the knicks game i think noel will be like Chandler on offense. CHandler cuts hard to the rim after setting the pick when you add that with his athletiscm you get a good pik and roll player. Noel does the same thing and he isnt afraid to get to the line. Like you said his defensive ability is only gonna make us better on D we saw what chandler has done for the knicks

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    Some people had worries on whether or no shabzz fits her. In this game vs georgia he played a role i think hed play on this team. He ran off picks and went to the basket as well as running the break and getting to the line. When he comes off picks he doesnt shoot like rip hamilton but puts the ball on the floor and gets to the rim. Also he is gonna bring his tanasity and how hard he plays the game which could have a MKG impcact on our team like it did for the bobcats



    Wide open race for #1 overall player in the 2013 Draft
    On Fri, 12/07/2012 - 10:24am.
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    Wide open race for #1 overall player in the 2013 Draft
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    The #1 overall draft pick is not always an open and closed case, though in most years a player tends to separate himself towards claiming the distinction. Most years, you atleast have a prize to shoot for, that one player you feel can be a possible franchise building talent. This years draft has some good players, just none who have distinguished themselves as a top overall pick. In fact, some NBA personnel believe this draft could rank with 2000 and 2006 in its lack of depth and excitement in prospects.

    In a poll conducted by Jeff Goodman amongst "35 NBA Types", these were the early returns for the favorite at #1 overall:

    Cody Zeller (Indiana): 31 percent
    Nerlens Noel (Kentucky): 23 percent
    Alex Len (Maryland): 11 percent
    Shabazz Muhammad (UCLA): 11 percent
    Alex Poythress (Kentucky): 9 percent
    Rudy Gobert (France): 6 percent
    Tony Mitchell (North Texas): 3 percent
    Archie Goodwin (Kentucky): 3 percent
    Anthony Bennett (UNLV) - 3 percent

    While Zeller was the lone player to crack double digit votes, the personnel had a hard time remembering a race so wide open and so uninspiring. 2006 had Andrea Bargnani go #1, though at times LaMarcus Aldridge, Rudy Gay, Tyrus Thomas and others fought for the pick. Since than, every draft has managed to have pretty little question regarding the top spot. The problem with this year seems to be that no one really believes that the top pick can live up to expectations.

    In a year where picking the best player means picking more of a helping hand than a game changer, one could see how that might be anti-climactic. This draft will have its few All-Stars like any other draft, just major doubts surrounding whether a player can live up to top pick expectations or becomes a leader of a contending team. At the end of the day, that is what teams hope for when they get the top spot. Their are always question marks surrounding players. The major issue with this draft is that the ultimate talent evaluating buzz word of "upside" looks to be really low.

    If one is to pick Cody Zeller first, they will get a talented big who can run the floor, that we know. However, his issues on defense are still well documented not to mention his lack of top end rebounding ability. As one NBA scouting director said, "He'll never be a great NBA player."

    With Nerlens Noel, the defensive upside is definitely visible. He is not afraid to mix it up, has instincts and great athleticism for his size. What he has yet to show is an ability to score the basketball using any real post moves or touch around the basket. Most of his points have been dunks and put backs, which will be much harder to come by in the NBA. While Noel is atleast 6-10 (by my estimation of seeing him in person), his lack of weight will make it very difficult to play center. This will lead to major issues with his lack of skill set if he were to be a PF.

    Shabazz Muhammad was seen by many, myself included, as the top incoming freshman and favorite for the #1 pick. He has received mix reviews thus far as he has eased his way into the college game after coming back from injury and a three game suspension to start the year. He plays incredibly hard and has definites instincts as a scorer.

    Even with all of this, he has a glaring weakness in his off-hand which many have taken advantage of to freeze him out. Not to mention, his ball handling and skill set lead many to believe that he will not make a flawless transition to NBA shooting guard, which was a popular belief. His athleticism is impressive, though he does not seem to be exceptional by NBA standards, having issues taking opponents off of the dribble or creating space.

    Other players have entered the fray obviously, just none that really provide much optimism. Like every draft, this one will have its share of contributors, just really low expectations as far as top shelf talent. The battle for the top spot should rage on and be an interesting one to follow. Right now, it appears that this battle is one that not many teams would like to be in with no one really standing out. Seems like they will have to wait until 2014 until they really get excited about the top few picks once again.

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    I know it is off topic... but Wiggins may not be the best HS prospect after all

    Okafor making push for nation's top player
    By Scott Powers

    CHICAGO -- UIC's home basketball court was occupied by some of the nation's best prep players from morning to night for the Chicago Elite Classic last week.

    St. Vincent-St. Mary freshman Vincent King drew rave reviews. Illinois' future backcourt of Jaylon Tate and Kendrick Nunn played before their future coach John Groce. Recruits from BYU, Dayton, Minnesota, N.C. State, Ohio State, among other schools all showed off their skills.

    Jahlil Okafor
    Jahlil Okafor is the best player in Chicago while Jabari Parker recovers from injury, but some don't expect that pecking order to change.
    Jabari Parker, the nation's No. 2 senior, even surprised everyone and played in his first game since fracturing his foot in July.

    But when the day ended and the participants, high school and college coaches, media and fans departed the arena, there was only one player who nearly everyone was talking about -- Whitney Young junior 7-foot, 265-pound center Jahlil Okafor.

    Even though Parker was nowhere near 100 percent and Andrew Wiggins (the nation's No. 1 senior) and Tyus Jones (the nation's No. 1 junior) weren't present, Okafor's performance against DeMatha (Md.) led many to believe he should be the No. 1 player not only in the state regardless of class, but also the country.

    One high-major college coach who was in attendance left thinking there was no doubt Okafor is the best player in the nation after witnessing his 34-point, nine-rebound performance against N.C. State recruit BeeJay Anya, who had 11 points and five rebounds.

    "I think he's the No. 1 player in the country no matter the grade," the coach said. "Just his offensive package, you don't see that from a center, especially a kid his age. Left hand, right hand, putting it on the floor, jab step, you name it, he's got it all, makes free throws. It's ridiculous."

    City/Suburban Hoops Report publisher Joe Henricksen, an Illinois-based evaluator, agreed with the coach.

    "I can't remember ever seeing a more dominating performance in a season-opening game," Henricksen said. "We -- and by we, I mean fans, media and analysts -- should be celebrating a Jahlil Okafor here in Chicago and in Illinois. He's that type of rare, eye-opening talent. Just an absolutely dominating figure. At his age, at his position and with his advanced skill at that size, he most certainly needs to be mentioned with any high school player in America regardless of class."

    Whitney Young coach Tyrone Slaughter may be biased, but he backed up the same belief with an explanation.

    "He's the best player in the country, in our opinion," Slaughter said after Saturday's game. "A lot of times, it gets diluted because we live in a city of great basketball, but when we look at it, when we ask ourselves and we ask other people, he's the one person no one can compare. So at the end of the day, that's what he is -- the best player."

    Okafor's father Chukwudi Okafor does have a comparison. He sees Okafor's skill set being a mixture of Tim Duncan and Hakeem Olajuwon.

    "He reminds me so much of Olajuwon in his prime, and he has the fundamentals of Tim Duncan," Chukwudi said. "Just his footwork, how he plays the game scientifically, not just with power."

    Many people would say that just sounds like another father putting his son on a pedestal and raising expectations to an unrealistic level.

    The thing is a lot of people have that similar thought. The fact is Okafor, who is just 16 years old, possesses the level of footwork and dominant inside and out offensive game that scouts rarely see during their lifetimes.

    It may be early to call Okafor a future NBA superstar, but many believe he has that potential.

    "Forget comparing him to high school, college or NBA players," Henricksen said. "How many true dominant 5-men are there in basketball, period? That's what I see from him. I see a natural center, not just a big-bodied center who can bang and do the little things. He's considered a legitimate 5-man. That's what impresses me and get me excited."

    What's scary is Okafor has nearly two complete years of high school basketball ahead of him before he even enters college. If his skills are beyond his age now, what will they be when he graduates in 2014?

    In Saturday's season opener, Okafor showed he had already enhanced a few skills during the offseason, which he often spent doing two-a-day workouts.

    He had lost some of his baby fat over the offseason and looked more athletic, running the floor on both ends and being rewarded with a few fastbreak dunks. He also had more confidence in his mid-range game and drained a couple jumpers.

    Of course, Okafor still went to his bread and butter and used his superior footwork to maneuver every which way around defenders and score.

    "Okafor has size and back-to-the-basket post moves, which includes footwork, touch and body control in addition to his ability to score through contact," ESPN recruiting coordinator Reggie Rankin said. "He is next to impossible to defend without help on the high school level when he makes his mind up that he is going to score inside. ... The kid is a low-post monster."

    Mac Irvin Fire club coach Mike Irvin began to see a change in Okafor during the summer. Okafor had always been one of the team's best players, but he often deferred to his teammate Jabari Parker. When Parker couldn't play in July because of his injury, Okafor transitioned into Parker's role.

    "Man, as the summer went on, he started dominating everybody," Irvin said. "When Jabari went out, I thought he was the best player in the country. It forced him to grow up fast. He had to be a leader. He stepped up and was ready. He took it to a whole other level.

    "I've been telling everybody, he's the first pick of the NBA draft when he comes out, point blank. I've never seen some so big with such footwork. He's like a ballerina. He can spin and turn. I haven't seen footwork like that in a long time."

    Okafor has been receiving such praise since eighth grade when he shot up six inches to 6-9 and never lost his coordination, so he's become accustomed to it. He's even used to his father comparing him to NBA greats. Okafor views all of it as motivation.

    "It's definitely an honor," Okafor said. "I don't feel it as pressure. I'm still a kid and have time to develop. It's motivating. It makes me work hard. I never take a day off."

    College coaches have a similar mindset when it comes to recruiting him. Okafor has scholarship offers from every major school and has already made unofficial visits to Duke, Michigan State, North Carolina, Ohio State and UCLA.

    Okafor doesn't have a list yet and says he's considering everyone. One unique aspect of his recruitment is he and Tyus Jones have pledged to play together. Jones is ranked No. 1 in the junior class and is a point guard.

    "First of all, it's just our friendship, our brotherhood, we're just close," Okafor said. "It's fun to go to battle with someone you're so close with. He's a floor general."

    Another person Okafor is close with is Parker: They've known each since they were kids and have played together on the Mac Irvin Fire throughout high school.

    With all the focus on Parker's play and recruitment now, it's allowed Okafor to still enjoy high school somewhat like a regular teenager.

    "If (Parker) wasn't there, I would be the one with all the publicity," Okafor said. "It's really helped me with that and him having all of the attention. That allows me to be a kid. He's like a big brother.

    "Not that I wouldn't want (the attention). I would want it, of course."

    That time is coming.

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    Bazz is on ESPN this afternoon vs Texas fellas be sure to tune in if you're off

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    Not to get too off topic, but I've loved Okafor for about a year now after reading some articles about him and seeing some tape of his. He was also the focal point for the U-16 US team and looked really good there. Best comparison I see is a bigger, slightly more athletic Jared Sullinger (with much more room to improve).

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    Big men that I like in this draft...

    Alex Len

    Probably my favorite so far...

    Isaiah Austin

    JaVale McGee or Lamarcus Aldridge?

    Rudy Gobert

    2:35 was his best play, obviously very very raw

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    I like the look of Len A LOT. I'm not one of those posters claiming to have good knowledge on draft prospects, but I think Len has the type of game you NEED to have from a big when you have two guards like Kyrie and Dion looking to get into the lane.

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    Glen Robinson III isn't as highly publicized as others, but that guy just looks the part of a prototypical NBA SF. Good size and athleticism and can shoot. This would be a guy to keep an eye on, I can certainly see him getting in the lottery conversation, easily.

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