View Poll Results: If the Cavs get the second pick, who should they choose?

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  • Ben McLemore

    19 8.92%
  • Otto Porter

    129 60.56%
  • Anthony Bennett

    9 4.23%
  • Victor Oladipo

    24 11.27%
  • Alex Len

    30 14.08%
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    Anthony Bennett lack of height is the reason he will fall. He's got a great skill set, but his defensive potential is neutralized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STAT View Post
    A few have mentioned Nerlens Noel's performance in Kentucky's loss to Texas A&M on Saturday (1/12), but nobody explicitly mentioned his freakish statline:
    15 PTS (4-6 FG), 11 REB, 6 AST, 7 BLK, 4 STL, 0 TO, 1 PF in 39 minutes
    I've been a Noel believer, but these kinds of games make you fall in love.

    Also, Anthony Bennett had another domineering performance in UNLV's Saturday win as well (22 and 16 on 9-14 from the floor), he's perhaps as good as anyone in the draft.
    Don't forget the 7-8 on free throws.

    He was 1 steal away from a quintuple-five game or whatever you call it.

    I didn't like Noel earlier this season due to how much we need an offensively minded center, but now I'm starting to warm up to him even if he is a mess offensively. If he and Tristan could develop a jumper and a solid post game, then we'd be golden, and I mean GOLDEN. A defense pairing of Tristan and Noel could be extremely dangerous. As a matter of fact, I'm slowly starting to like Noel as my favorite big man of this draft, fit with Tristan be damned. His ridiculous defense could be just what we ordered, and he won't be 19 until April 10th.

    Possibly Noel's most impressive stat: 2.7 steals per game?! What kind of big man does that?! Hell, that's an elite steal-rate for a guard, but, for a big man, it's just plain stupid. 1-1.5 steals per game is great for a big man, but 2.7 is unreal. He's averaging 3.5 steals per 40 right now. Just ridiculous. When was the last time any player averaged that combination of blocks AND steals per game? Hell, when was the last time any PF or C in college (or NBA) averaged that many steals per game? Noel looks like the prototype for a center on the fast break as well. Guy runs like a deer, can lead the fast break fairly well himself due to decent ball-handling, pass well for a big man (1.9 apg, 6 ast in the last game on 1/12), and does all the necessary things to set up the fast break in the first place at an elite level (rebounds, blocks, and steals).

    Compared to Anthony Davis, there's no denying that Anthony Davis has a more developed offensive game, but Noel is possibly an even better defender than Davis or at least has more potential in that regard. Davis' defensive rating during his freshman season was 80. Nerlens' currently is 75. Noel's ability to defend five positions is something to value heavily. Noel's slightly behind in Davis in REB% and BLK% right now, but it is earlier in the season, and, the longer the season goes on, the better Noel will likely do against his competition, meaning he could bring those stats up to or beyond Anthony Davis' college stats not to mention his already gaudy 75 defensive rating. His steal % literally doubles Davis' steal %. Don't forget that Noel's nearly a year younger than Davis was during his freshman season.

    Fuck it. I'm taking Noel, future DPOY, over Len if I'm Chris Grant. Can you really pass on an elite, elite defensive talent like that who could lead the team in blocks, steals, and rebounds all in one season? Hell, he has the potential to lead the LEAGUE in blocks AND steals with what he's showing right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RMsDanielGibson View Post
    Don't forget the 7-8 on free throws.

    He was 1 steal away from a quintuple-five game or whatever you call it.

    I didn't like Noel earlier this season due to how much we need an offensively minded center, but now I'm starting to warm up to him even if he is a mess offensively. If he and Tristan could develop a jumper and a solid post game, then we'd be golden, and I mean GOLDEN. A defense pairing of Tristan and Noel could be extremely dangerous. As a matter of fact, I'm slowly starting to like Noel as my favorite big man of this draft, fit with Tristan be damned. His ridiculous defense could be just what we ordered, and he won't be 19 until April 10th.

    Possibly Noel's most impressive stat: 2.7 steals per game?! What kind of big man does that?! Hell, that's an elite steal-rate for a guard, but, for a big man, it's just plain stupid. 1-1.5 steals per game is great for a big man, but 2.7 is unreal. He's averaging 3.5 steals per 40 right now. Just ridiculous. When was the last time any player averaged that combination of blocks AND steals per game? Hell, when was the last time any PF or C in college (or NBA) averaged that many steals per game? Noel looks like the prototype for a center on the fast break as well. Guy runs like a deer, can lead the fast break fairly well himself due to decent ball-handling, pass well for a big man (1.9 apg, 6 ast in the last game on 1/12), and does all the necessary things to set up the fast break in the first place at an elite level (rebounds, blocks, and steals).

    Compared to Anthony Davis, there's no denying that Anthony Davis has a more developed offensive game, but Noel is possibly an even better defender than Davis or at least has more potential in that regard. Davis' defensive rating during his freshman season was 80. Nerlens' currently is 75. Noel's ability to defend five positions is something to value heavily. Noel's slightly behind in Davis in REB% and BLK% right now, but it is earlier in the season, and, the longer the season goes on, the better Noel will likely do against his competition, meaning he could bring those stats up to or beyond Anthony Davis' college stats not to mention his already gaudy 75 defensive rating. His steal % literally doubles Davis' steal %. Don't forget that Noel's nearly a year younger than Davis was during his freshman season.

    Fuck it. I'm taking Noel, future DPOY, over Len if I'm Chris Grant. Can you really pass on an elite, elite defensive talent like that who could lead the team in blocks, steals, and rebounds all in one season? Hell, he has the potential to lead the LEAGUE in blocks AND steals with what he's showing right now.
    Last (and only?) Big man i remember doing something like that is david robinson. Now noel doesnt have nearly the offensive game the admiral does, but his defensive potential is obviously off the charts. I just love the effort he plays with; for a bigtime recruit who supposedly has a bunch of hangers-on, it's pretty rare.

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    It's January...now it's time to start sitting down and really watch the NCAA closely. Lots of big-men seem to be getting a lot of play as high lottery picks this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howler1313 View Post
    Last (and only?) Big man i remember doing something like that is david robinson. Now noel doesnt have nearly the offensive game the admiral does, but his defensive potential is obviously off the charts. I just love the effort he plays with; for a bigtime recruit who supposedly has a bunch of hangers-on, it's pretty rare.
    Just checked. Not even David Robinson hit 2.7 steals per game. Even in his senior year, David Robinson still only topped out at 2.1 steals, and he played 3 more minutes per game than Noel is right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMsDanielGibson View Post
    Just checked. Not even David Robinson hit 2.7 steals per game. Even in his senior year, David Robinson still only topped out at 2.1 steals, and he played 3 more minutes per game than Noel is right now.
    But in the nba he topped out at 2.2 spg and 4.7 bpg. If noel approaches those numbers at any one season in his career, safe to say he'd easily be the best player from this class and probably on his way to the hall of fame.

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    What I want people to note here other than his jaw dropping athleticism is his ability to use a jump hook with BOTH hands. I'm a stickler with players being able to use both hands around the basket and unfortunately very few players are capable of it. He is not nearly as raw offensively as people make him out to be. Really, the only thing he lacks is a jumpshot and maybe counter moves in the post. The guy appears to also be an excellent passer and capable ball handler. He really is the number 1 talent in my eyes. I also loves his hustle and willingness to get floor burns. He is the type of player that can be a huge difference maker on the court for a winning ball club.

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    I usually don't care much for high school reels but his ball handling in transition and his moves for a dude with his size are pretty fucking sick. Curious to know his official height come combine time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGMT View Post
    I usually don't care much for high school reels but his ball handling in transition and his moves for a dude with his size are pretty fucking sick. Curious to know his official height come combine time.
    I feel the same, but he shows skills that will translate to any level when you combine his size and athletic ability. I really just wanted to show his skills with his off hand.

    I love how he can block shots with either hands and is very strong driving left with the finish.

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    Son of a biscuit, Andy.

    His injury ruined my delusions of getting two top 10 picks this year (the same delusions I have every single year... though in 2011 they weren't so delusional).

    There could be a porn site that only shows the names of two top draft prospects -- just the text -- next to each other on an otherwise blank screen and it would jump to the top of my list of spank sites.

    Noel at the top, then Bennett after he slips due to height...

    Noel and McLemore with ridiculous lottery luck...

    Shabazz/McLemore and Bennett...

    Oops. I spurted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howler1313 View Post
    Last (and only?) Big man i remember doing something like that is david robinson. Now noel doesnt have nearly the offensive game the admiral does, but his defensive potential is obviously off the charts. I just love the effort he plays with; for a bigtime recruit who supposedly has a bunch of hangers-on, it's pretty rare.
    Hakeem had 5 5x5 games and one 5x6 game

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    Quote Originally Posted by KB View Post
    Hakeem had 5 5x5 games and one 5x6 game
    Damn, just checked the stats and Hakeem had a couple of 2+spg 4+bpg seasons. I wonder when/if we'll ever see that again in the NBA.

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    I still have a hard time forgetting what I've seen from Shabazz. The first time I saw him, I thought I was seeing a future NBA star.

    No matter what Dion becomes, I would take Shabazz if he is there for us.

    Rising out of the ashes

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    Baylor vs. Kansas @ 9pm.

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    McLemore looks like a stud. On the other hand, I really don't get what Baylor's gameplan is. They just look like a badly coached team.

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