View Poll Results: If the Cavs get the second pick, who should they choose?

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  • Ben McLemore

    19 8.92%
  • Otto Porter

    129 60.56%
  • Anthony Bennett

    9 4.23%
  • Victor Oladipo

    24 11.27%
  • Alex Len

    30 14.08%
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    2 0.94%
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    Why all the gloom and doom all of a sudden?

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    I know that MYoung is right on this one. Noel would be like a Tyson Chandler type, even in age. Once he develops, what's to say he doesn't surpass that quickly?

    Still, I'm uncertain what to say about this class... if only I saw some games live more. Noel, Len, Muhammad, McLemore all seem like interesting prospects. I don't think Bennett is a good idea at all. Not enough information at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    You are making a huge assumption that Gee has the size to play sf. Personally, I have yet to see any evidence of that.

    There are 10 sf's scoring over 15 pts a game. Only one, Paul Pierce is under 6'8" and he is 6'7" (and the exception to the rule). None are 6'6".
    No assumption ..no one has mentioned height as his issues ,merely that he's just a reserve who's starting on a weak team..
    He certainly doesn't have a ton of issues guarding opposing SF's due to size,it's his abilities that are limited.

    His lack of scoring has nothing to do with height,again he's inconsistant.

    You're only talking 1-2 inches inches in most cases. Plus the fact if the guy is athletic ,can create his shot/score consistantly and has length ,the height isn't as much as a problem.

    I'm not concerned with height so much at that position as I am with PF/C.

    Heck we have so many undersized PF's in the league I never thought that would be a issue at SF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randymoss1881 View Post
    Ima have to agree with dicky V aron craft belongs in the league with his defense best defender ive seen in years he is even better than mkg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    I know it's been covered... but I just cannot get over the fascination with Noel. I pray that he's gone when we go on the clock.

    For every Olajuwon, there's 50 Thabeet's. Guys that have zero offensive game to speak of almost always turn out to... well... have no offensive game.

    Every college season, there's some guy blocking shots out of the gym that everyone gets enamored with. Then he takes his game to the NBA and his freak athleticism is neutralized.

    Next year at this time, Noel will be averaging 4.4 points, 6.7 rebounds, and 2 blocks a game. We'll all be grateful that some other team fell for the hype.
    Thabeet wasn't super athletic. He was just tall. He's a terrible comparison for Noel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MYoung23 View Post
    No team is drafting Nerlens Noel for what he's going to do his rookie season
    Ok - the point is, I don't think he will ever be anywhere near one of the 5 best players taken in this draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Brickman View Post
    Thabeet wasn't super athletic. He was just tall. He's a terrible comparison for Noel.
    Ok think of the comparison as this:

    A guy who blocks a million shots in college, but 99% of his offensive game is dunks, put-backs, and layups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    Ok think of the comparison as this:

    A guy who blocks a million shots in college, but 99% of his offensive game is dunks, put-backs, and layups.
    Thanks for describing Dwight Howard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    Ok think of the comparison as this:

    A guy who blocks a million shots in college, but 99% of his offensive game is dunks, put-backs, and layups.
    You compared Hasheem Thabeet to Nerlens Noel. Now you're taking that back?

    Do you know why Thabeet blocked a ton of shots in college? Because he's 7'3". It's basically impossible not to block a ton of shots in college when you're that tall. Thabeet never had great instincts on either end of the floor. The fact that he went as high as he did in the draft was the failing of Memphis' front office more than anything else. Also, Thabeet still does rebound and block shots at a decent rate. The main problem is that those are really the only things he does well on defense, and his teams are routinely outscored by a lot when he's on the floor.

    Noel blocks his shots by being very quick and athletic. He has good defensive instincts and hands. There just isn't any comparison between Noel and Thabeet. Noel is already better on defense than Thabeet ever was.

    Also, your second sentence basically described half of the big men who come out of the draft every year. Hell, it describes Tristan Thompson, who has since developed a very nice hook shot and floater after only one year in the league.

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    Enough spectating...

    On February 6, 2016 - let's revisit this topic.

    I say Noel's best scenario will be as a Kendrick Perkins type starter: (no need for an in-depth break down of why he's not Perkins) just that he will be a waste of space offensively, but able to survive in the NBA as a great defender on a team loaded with offense at the other 4 positions.

    His worst case scenario is Bismack Biyombo. A high pick that does absolutely nothing. Again, no need to tell me why Noel is different than Biyombo - just saying that the bottom-line production will be similar in the end.

    Funny thing is, I just looked at Biyombo's stats, and they are almost identical to what I mentioned for Noel earlier: 4.4 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 1.8 BPG

    If Noel reaches his ceiling, and is paired with a really solid stretch 4 like Gasol, Love, Anderson, etc –*he will be serviceable.

    Your bet is that he will become..... ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJTJ View Post
    Thanks for describing Dwight Howard.
    Howard averaged 12 PPG as an 18/19 year old in the NBA.

    Noel is averaging 10 PPG in college at the same age.

    Difference = dominant inside man vs. garbage guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    Howard averaged 12 PPG as an 18/19 year old in the NBA.

    Noel is averaging 10 PPG in college at the same age.

    Difference = dominant inside man vs. garbage guy
    While I slightly agree, there is one difference

    In his rookie year, Dwight Howard was getting 32 minutes as an 18 year old rookie C. None of the other bigs were worth a damn. That team also had Steve Francis, Grant Hill, Cuttino Mobley, and Hedo Turkoglu. Off those four players, they averaged 56 shots, with 3 of them shooting less than 43%. Leading to alot of offensive rebounding opportunities. Lets not also forget DH12 still does not have a threatening offensive game. If anyone saw his rookie year, they could tell you he was scoring off lobs & offensive boards.

    Only time will tell, but the garbage guy excuse fit both players at that time in their career.
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    Homestar, you are comparing Noel to all these guys that are slow, lumbering, and have no touch around the hoop. Forget that he is only averaging 10 points per game. He is an ultra athletic player that can finish with either hand around the hoop and has a soft jump hook with both hands. All of these players you are comparing him to don't posses these qualities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    Ok think of the comparison as this:

    A guy who blocks a million shots in college, but 99% of his offensive game is dunks, put-backs, and layups.
    Mutombo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Human Q-Tip View Post
    Mutombo?
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