View Poll Results: If the Cavs get the second pick, who should they choose?

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  • Ben McLemore

    19 8.92%
  • Otto Porter

    129 60.56%
  • Anthony Bennett

    9 4.23%
  • Victor Oladipo

    24 11.27%
  • Alex Len

    30 14.08%
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    Basically we either get Shabbazz or Porter in this draft or we have to get LeBron, Paul George(RFA S&T in 2014), or Batum(trade for if we fail to get LeBron or George)

    After this draft are picks wont be high enough to get an upper level to elite SF. Of those 5, my order of preference is LBJ, Porter, George, Batum, Shabbazz.

    George and Batum also would take asserts beyond capspace to acquire and the willingness of Indiana or Portland to even entertain a trade.

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    Cavs are now in the 7th spot (barely), and there are four bad teams just a few games ahead. I don't know if the Cavs will keep it up, but it may be better to think about a Top-10 board instead of a Top-5 board.

    (don't blame the messenger)

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    Who is the third best SF in the draft behind Porter and Shabbazz?

    Reviewing the names that have been talked about as legit NBA players, it would still seem that even 7-10 range we would end up with a name that has been discussed here in serious terms
    Len, Zeller, Oladipo, Bennett, McLemore, Porter, Shabbazz, Noel make up the 8 names we've talked about the most here, right? Of those names, which are the least desirable to everyone and which are the most realistic for the 7-8 hole.

    Also, can we just put in a "Nick Gilbert", "What's not to like?", and "Amen" into the public record for good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by wuck View Post
    Cavs are now in the 7th spot (barely), and there are four bad teams just a few games ahead. I don't know if the Cavs will keep it up, but it may be better to think about a Top-10 board instead of a Top-5 board.

    (don't blame the messenger)
    The good news is according to Fords nba scouts and Gms board Porter and Len are in the 5-9 range, but that could change over the next 5 weeks.'

    Having to settle for Cody Zeller would be a downer, when guys like Porter and Len could have been scooped up.

    Muhmammad has dropped from 2-8 according to the Gm's and scouts. Could he fall to the 9-11 range? It is not out of the question.


    Bottom line, with our top 8 pick, I want a guy that can play from day 1 not a project, who will take several years to develop in the gym and the court. This is why I am strongly anti Austin and CS as consideration for our first pick.

    Lets just pray Porter and Len are options!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MirORich View Post
    Who is the third best SF in the draft behind Porter and Shabbazz?

    Reviewing the names that have been talked about as legit NBA players, it would still seem that even 7-10 range we would end up with a name that has been discussed here in serious terms
    Len, Zeller, Oladipo, Bennett, McLemore, Porter, Shabbazz, Noel make up the 8 names we've talked about the most here, right? Of those names, which are the least desirable to everyone and which are the most realistic for the 7-8 hole.

    Also, can we just put in a "Nick Gilbert", "What's not to like?", and "Amen" into the public record for good luck
    Shabbazz is a SG.



    So where do you guys think Tyler and Dion would go in this draft?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huber. View Post
    So where do you guys think Tyler and Dion would go in this draft?
    If the Cavs were picking 4th, Dion would definitely get picked there just for the uproar.

    But I guess you're asking in terms of relative strength of this year's draft class vs. last year's class. From the posts in this thread, it seems as if there is no Anthony-Davis-type player, but that players in the top 8 or 10 are pretty strong. So, knowing what we knew then (and not what we know now), maybe Waiters would get pushed down a handful of spots. Zeller might also get pushed down a few spots, certainly below his brother (despite the underwhelming season to date), but he got drafted later than expected last year.
    Last edited by wuck; 02-28-2013 at 12:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MirORich View Post
    Who is the third best SF in the draft behind Porter and Shabbazz?

    Reviewing the names that have been talked about as legit NBA players, it would still seem that even 7-10 range we would end up with a name that has been discussed here in serious terms
    Len, Zeller, Oladipo, Bennett, McLemore, Porter, Shabbazz, Noel make up the 8 names we've talked about the most here, right? Of those names, which are the least desirable to everyone and which are the most realistic for the 7-8 hole.

    Also, can we just put in a "Nick Gilbert", "What's not to like?", and "Amen" into the public record for good luck
    I think the Cavs have the ammo to move around a bit in the draft.... if they want/need to.

    But to answer your original question, probably Sergey Karasev, who the Cavs reportedly have some level of interest in.

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    I like how the ESPN Lottery Mock Draft machine scrambles through the teams and "Seattle SuperSonics" flies by instead of "Sacramento Kings"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MirORich View Post
    Who is the third best SF in the draft behind Porter and Shabbazz?

    Reviewing the names that have been talked about as legit NBA players, it would still seem that even 7-10 range we would end up with a name that has been discussed here in serious terms
    Len, Zeller, Oladipo, Bennett, McLemore, Porter, Shabbazz, Noel make up the 8 names we've talked about the most here, right? Of those names, which are the least desirable to everyone and which are the most realistic for the 7-8 hole.

    Also, can we just put in a "Nick Gilbert", "What's not to like?", and "Amen" into the public record for good luck
    Poythress is other high ish ranked SF

    Just to point out, there is 0 chance the Cavs take Shabazz top 10, forget the possibility entirely. There is no player less advanced metrics friendly than Shabazz this year because of how bad his blk/stl, ast is, plus mediocre efficiency. I'd be surprised if the Cavs had him ranked in their top 30 and he might not be in their top 60. If you see Shabazz mocked to CLE in June, treat it like the Barnes rumours. A big smokescreen/troll

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    noone like Glenn robinson ?

    then theres Deshaun Thomas whose mid range game would just make Kyrie and Dion wet the bed thinking off all the assist they can rack up on aborted drives. This years small forward class is definitely deeper than last years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tornicade View Post
    noone like Glenn robinson ?

    then theres Deshaun Thomas whose mid range game would just make Kyrie and Dion wet the bed thinking off all the assist they can rack up on aborted drives. This years small forward class is definitely deeper than last years.
    Deshaun Thomas is not a top NBA prospect. Go back and read last year's draft thread to understand why (it has been rehashed by us OSU fans several times in great detail) He will be a second rounder who will probably end up spending most of his career over seas. Glenn Robinson has looked very "green" vs top ranked teams and competition. He will not be under consideration for a top 8 pick, but could def be an option with the Lakers pick if we land LEN. Robinson has struggled so much, that many in Michigan feel he is leaning towards coming back another year, because there is not a decent chance he is out of the lottery. Not to pick on you, but I recommend you guys ignore nbadraft.net (it is the most unreliable service for the draft) You need to follow Fords board on espn.


    It is not his opinion, but info he is getting from scouts an actual GM's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huber. View Post
    Shabbazz is a SG.



    So where do you guys think Tyler and Dion would go in this draft?
    that's one of the main concerns with him...Ford mentioned it in his chat yesterday:

    Mike (Cleveland)
    I have read where you say Muhammad's natural position is at SF. But I have read where lots of people (fans and scouts) who believe he can play SG in the NBA. Why do you believe he is better suited to be an undersized 3 rather than an oversized 2?

    Chad Ford
    (1:13 PM)I'm not sure he has the quickness, on either end, to be a two. He's strong and physical. He bullies his way around. I think he might get abused by the quicker, smaller twos in the NBA. The issue for scouts is that at 6-5, he's undersized as a three. That's why some are trying to project him as a two guard. But I just don't think he has that game offensively, and more importantly, I'm not sure he can guard twos on the defensive end. That's why he's been sliding a bit in our rankings. Teams love the motor and he's obviously a gifted scorer, but there are concerns.
    here are some other intersting answers:

    Will (DC)
    I believe the most slept on and overated player in this years draft will be Otto Porter. Is there a realistic chance the Georgetown star could be a top 3 pick?

    Chad Ford
    (1:11 PM)
    I agree with the first part -- he's been so great all year and only recently is he getting the credit he deserves. To me he's got an upside of Danny Granger or higher. High basketball IQ. Unselfish. Does a little of everything. Cares more about winning than stats. And this year he's really taken the Hoyas on his back. His game against Syracuse last week was one of the most impressive performances in college basketball. I really think he has the chance to special. So I wouldn't hesitate to take him in the Top 3. He's No. 6 on our Big Board, but if it was just my own personal board, he'd be higher.
    Charles (NY)
    Should Nerlens Noel declare for the draft, where might he get picked? Does the ACL injury knock him down far enough to remove him from a first round pick?

    Chad Ford
    (1:35 PM)
    He's a lock for the Top 5 as long as there aren't any complications with his surgery or rehab. Players completely recover from ACL tears these days. In fact, he might be ready to go by NBA training camp in October. I'm not sure if he will declare or return to school. Either option will be a good choice. I know GMs were a bit hesitant right after the injury to say he could be the No. 1 pick, but I've seen them back off that assertion lately. If the right team gets the No. 1 pick, he could still be the guy.
    Bill (MD)
    Alex Len. Where does he go? What team would he fit well with?

    Chad Ford
    (1:46 PM)
    He's a hard one to project right now. He's had some breakout games against Kentucky and Duke, but mixed in with those games are quite a few duds. Most scouts are willing to give him a pass on his poor games because of the poor guard play at Maryland. They don't make it easy on the big fella. I know some teams consider him a candidate for the No. 1 pick. I think he'll likely go somewhere in the Top 7 or 8 picks.
    Brett (NO)
    Do you think A. Bennett could be a SF at the next level?

    Chad Ford
    (1:49 PM)
    I think most scouts project him as a four who will have the ability to stretch the defense. He's a little undersized, but has a big wingspan and an explosive vertical jump to make up for it. He's one of my favorite players in this draft. I think he could have a big NBA career if he lands on team who uses him the right way.

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    I know everyone likes to talk about LBJ coming back but the fact that DG has yet to acknowledge him by name in public, isn't a great sign.
    It's a great sign that DG doesn't want to get hit with a tampering charge.

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    Could someone post the FEb 28 draft column from Ford. He goes into detail about who he thinks each lottery team has at the top of their board. Many thanks in advance.

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    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft...ms-no-1-choice

    We've had the LeBron Draft. The Blake Griffin Draft. The Anthony Davis Draft.

    This year, well … it's the Player To Be Named Later Draft.

    Typically, by February, one or two players have emerged as the consensus front-runner(s) for the top pick in the NBA draft. When it hasn't been a lone player like LeBron, Griffin or Davis, it's been a debate between two elite players like Greg Oden and Kevin Durant or Derrick Rose and Michael Beasley.

    This year, not only is there no consensus No. 1, but most NBA GMs are struggling to come up with anyone who deserves to be the top pick in the draft.

    "As you look at the guys atop your Big Board," one veteran GM said, "I'm struck with how depleted the talent pool is this year at the top. This is a pretty good draft if you want to talk depth. I just don't see a player who turns our franchise around at the top. I could be wrong. I didn't see Kyrie Irving doing what he's doing for the Cavs right now. But this year is especially troubling."

    GMs have struggled with this dilemma before.

    In 2006 there was no clear No. 1 pick, either. Andrea Bargnani, LaMarcus Aldridge, Rudy Gay and Tyrus Thomas were all mentioned as potential No. 1 picks. Of those four players, only Aldridge has made an All-Star team. Two lower picks, No. 6 Brandon Roy and No. 21 Rajon Rondo ended up on All-Star teams first.

    GMs also struggled in 2001, when high school players like Kwame Brown, Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry competed to be the No. 1 pick. Of the top five players drafted that year, only Chandler and Pau Gasol, who was never seriously considered for the No. 1 pick, made an All-Star team.

    The 1998 draft (in which Michael Olowokandi went No. 1 overall) and the 1995 draft (Joe Smith went first) suffered from a similar malady.

    So you might understand why GMs on bad teams like the Bobcats, Magic and Suns are wringing their hands right now. Each team desperately needs a savior, and by the looks of things, a basketball messiah won't be shaking David Stern's hand on draft night.

    Nevertheless, someone has to pick No. 1. And we know there's real talent here. It's just not a slam dunk.

    This year, there is an unusually large group of contenders. In speaking with GMs over the course of the past few months, it looks like a total of six players are in serious consideration for the No.1 pick -- Kansas' Ben McLemore, Kentucky's Nerlens Noel, Oklahoma State's Marcus Smart, UNLV's Anthony Bennett, Indiana's Victor Oladipo and Maryland's Alex Len.

    The six players couldn't be more different. McLemore is an athletic, sweet shooting 2-guard. Noel is a long, crazy athletic shot-blocker. Smart is a powerful point guard. Bennett is an explosive scoring forward. Oladipo is a high-motor, lockdown defender. Len is a traditional back-to-the-basket center.

    Of those six, three of them -- McLemore, Noel and Smart -- are the heavy favorites to go No. 1 in the draft.

    Two other players, Indiana's Cody Zeller and UCLA's Shabazz Muhammad, were mentioned earlier in the season as potential No. 1 picks but have recently slid out of consideration.

    With the debut of our annual Lottery Mock Draft, Insider spoke to scouts or executives from almost every team projected to be in the draft lottery in an effort to determine their individual draft order for the lottery generator.

    When there is no clear No. 1 pick, teams tend to focus on team needs instead of overall talent. So, as we expected, teams had various answers to the question: Who will go No. 1?


    Charlotte Bobcats
    Odds of winning the lottery: 25 percent

    Likely selection with No. 1 pick: Ben McLemore

    The Bobcats need help just about everywhere. They have the second-worst offensive rate and defensive rate in the league and have the lowest effective field goal percentage in the NBA. But with young players like Kemba Walker and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist looking like keepers, and with a number of young projects, including Bismack Biyombo, on the front line, look for the Bobcats to try to add some shooting and athleticism to their backcourt. McLemore is in a bit of a slump, but when he gets it going he's got a little Ray Allen in him.


    Orlando Magic
    Odds of winning the lottery: 19.9 percent

    Likely selection with No. 1 pick: Marcus Smart

    The Magic could also use help everywhere on the floor, but with young players in place at center (Nikola Vucevic), power forward (Andrew Nicholson) and small forward (Moe Harkless and Tobias Harris) look for the team to try to juice up the backcourt.

    While McLemore might be an option to replace Arron Afflalo, the money is on Smart. The Magic need a leader and a potential star, and while Smart's numbers won't always wow you, his leadership on the court and his power taking the ball to the basket could make him an All-Star someday.


    Washington Wizards
    Odds of winning the lottery: 13.8 percent

    Likely selection with No. 1 pick: Nerlens Noel

    The Wizards have their backcourt of the future with John Wall and Bradley Beal. Now they need some young bigs to swat shots and run the floor with them.

    While Noel's ACL injury has put a small damper on his stock, NBA GMs aren't worried that it will affect his performance in the long term. He could be a perfect long-term fit next to Wall and Beal and give the Wizards a young big three to build around for the next decade.


    Phoenix Suns
    Odds of winning the lottery: 9.6 percent

    Likely selection with No. 1 pick: Ben McLemore

    The Suns are one of the most messed up teams in the NBA. They don't really have anyone on their roster to build around. Goran Dragic and Marcin Gortat are their best players, but are not terrific building blocks for the future.

    Their other young players, including Marcus Morris, Markieff Morris and Kendall Marshall, are major works in progress. So … it's really wide open in Phoenix. While the Suns could certainly go in a variety of ways, one source says that McLemore is currently atop their board.


    Sacramento Kings
    Odds of winning the lottery: 9.6 percent

    Likely selection with No. 1 pick: Marcus Smart

    The Kings are loaded with young talent. What they need are high-character winners who bring leadership to the table. Smart looks like the perfect fit there. He's an upgrade over everyone else at the position and brings the sort of work ethic and team-first mentality to Sacramento that everyone else desperately needs.


    New Orleans Hornets
    Odds of winning the lottery: 9.6 percent

    Likely selection with No. 1 pick: Marcus Smart

    The Hornets won the draft lottery last year and brought home a potential franchise-changing prize in Anthony Davis. If they win it again this year, look for them to try to connect him with a point guard who can deliver the ball to him in the right places and defend both spots in the backcourt. Greivis Vasquez has been good, but he doesn't have the two-way potential of Smart.


    Cleveland Cavaliers
    Odds of winning the lottery: 3.6 percent

    Likely selection with No. 1 pick: Nerlens Noel

    With the Cavs' backcourt set with Kyrie Irving and Dion Waiters, look for them to try to fill a need in their frontcourt. While Shabazz Muhammad and Georgetown's Otto Porter are likely selections if the team drafts in its current spot, the Cavs might swing for the fences with Noel, or possibly Len, if they land the No. 1 pick.

    Paired in the frontcourt with a young Tristan Thompson, the Cavs could be a LeBron James defection away from dominating the league.


    Minnesota Timberwolves
    Odds of winning the lottery: 3.5 percent

    Likely selection with No. 1 pick: Ben McLemore

    The Wolves have been looking for a shooter to pair with Ricky Rubio in the backcourt. While rookie Alexey Shved has been good for them, he doesn't have McLemore's athletic ability or jump shot. Noel and Oladipo are options here, but this one looks like a no-brainer for McLemore.


    Detroit Pistons
    Odds of winning the lottery: 1.7 percent

    Likely selection with No. 1 pick: Ben McLemore

    Detroit is feeling good about its young frontcourt of Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond and is still high on the long-term potential of Brandon Knight.

    McLemore or Oladipo will make a tough choice for them. McLemore is a better shooter and a smoother scorer, while Oladipo brings that nastiness and defensive intensity that the Pistons once dominated the league with.


    Toronto Raptors
    Odds of winning the lottery: 1.1 percent

    Likely selection with No. 1 pick: Marcus Smart

    Kyle Lowry has been good for Toronto, but Smart has a lot more long-term upside. He packs the same power and intensity that Lowry brings but does it in a bigger package with more offensive game.


    Philadelphia 76ers
    Odds of winning the lottery: 0.8 percent

    Likely selection with No. 1 pick: Nerlens Noel

    Doug Collins is still smarting over his decision to pass on Derrick Favors and take Evan Turner with the second pick in the 2010 NBA draft.

    Don't expect him to make the same mistake twice. The Sixers really want an elite athlete in the frontcourt, and Noel could be a Marcus Camby for them.


    Dallas Mavericks
    Odds of winning the lottery: 0.7 percent

    Likely selection with No. 1 pick: Nerlens Noel

    Dallas has been looking for a permanent big man in the middle for a while now. Tyson Chandler thrived there, but got too expensive to keep long term.

    If the Mavs can land Noel, they have the first piece around which to rebuild.


    Portland Trail Blazers
    Odds of winning the lottery: 0.6 percent

    Likely selection with No. 1 pick: Ben McLemore

    Damian Lillard, LaMarcus Aldridge and, to a lesser extent, Nicolas Batum are the long-term fixtures in Portland. I'd put Noel here, but after the Blazers' last experience with a young injured big man, I'm not sure they'd have the stomach for Noel right now.

    While Wesley Matthews has been solid for Portland, McLemore offers more size and athleticism with a similar shooting touch.


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