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    Default Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

    I have to say I am loving the irony of the rookie that most of the people on here didn't want the team to draft now being the only guy anyone trusts running the second unit.

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    When Waiters brings the ball up, he looks identical to Baron Davis. Baron had the trickery with the dribble like Kyrie, but in a body as big as Dions. I can definitely appreciate Dion's 225 lbs compared to Jeremy Lamb or Austin Rivers 195lbs.

    Waiters issue right now is he isn't sure if he should look to score or distribute. I sense that he wants to make the right play for coach, but nature is telling him to score. If he'd just commit to either the shot or the pass he'll be making even better plays and scoring at a higher clip.

    It's the "snap-shot" Austin Carr always refers to. Waiters right now just goes to the hole and is unsure if he should score or dish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elcheato View Post
    26 minutes a game isn't enough when he appears to be the teams 2nd best scorer, and clearly is the only guy on the team other than Kyrie who can actually create offense.
    Kyrie was the teams best scorer last year... and he gave him even less time it seemed like at the start of the season. Byron Scott knows what he is doing. he has a great track record of developing guards in this league, let him do his thing.

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    Dion with a floater is scary.
    When in doubt, step up the defense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Brickman View Post
    I have to say I am loving the irony of the rookie that most of the people on here didn't want the team to draft now being the only guy anyone trusts running the second unit.
    fans seem to have already cast Waiters in the role as a "backup" for whatever reason.

    Scott has Waiters getting comfortable with his primary role for the team. the insistence that he plays off the bench in a "harden" type of role just because thats how okc did it... (to which okc did have 2 other scorers).

    Scott seems to have made some promises to some players and is intent on giving them the oppurtunity to get their time.

    You guys are complaining about Waiters playing time yet he is averaging third most for the rookies ater 3 games.

    Rk Player Age Tm G MP FGA 3PA FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK PTS FG% 3P% FT% MP ▾ PER
    1 Damian Lillard 22 POR 3 115 51 16 11 2 10 12 27 2 0 64 .471 .375 .909 38.3 22.0
    2 Austin Rivers 20 NOH 3 87 25 4 10 0 6 6 10 5 1 18 .200 .000 .800 29.0 2.8
    3 Dion Waiters 21 CLE 3 82 33 9 10 0 6 6 7 5 1 37 .424 .444 .500 27.3 12.5
    4 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist 19 CHA 2 47 15 0 9 5 7 12 3 5 3 15 .333 .556 23.5 15.9
    5 Anthony Davis 19 NOH 2 43 18 0 9 5 8 13 0 2 3 29 .556 1.000 21.5 35.9
    6 Bradley Beal 19 WAS 2 43 13 6 4 0 4 4 4 1 0 10 .154 .333 1.000 21.5 4.0
    7 Jae Crowder 22 DAL 3 63 23 12 3 0 9 9 4 2 1 26 .435 .417 .333 21.0 13.2
    8 Kyle Singler 24 DET 2 40 7 3 0 2 2 4 0 0 1 15 .857 1.000 20.0 17.3
    9 Harrison Barnes 20 GSW 3 57 18 5 4 2 2 4 3 0 0 24 .500 .400 1.000 19.0 11.4
    10 Jared Sullinger 20 BOS 3 56 10 0 2 4 11 15 0 2 2 12 .500 1.000 18.7 11.1
    11 Meyers Leonard 20 POR 3 55 2 0 8 1 8 9 1 0 2 8 .500 .750 18.3 7.1
    12 Festus Ezeli 23 GSW 3 54 11 0 12 6 8 14 0 5 3 15 .455 .417 18.0 14.2
    13 Jonas Valanciunas 20 TOR 2 35 19 0 0 7 6 13 2 0 3 14 .368 17.5 14.6
    14 Tyler Zeller 23 CLE 3 50 14 0 9 4 7 11 1 3 1 15 .429 .333 16.7 11.0
    15 Andre Drummond 19 DET 2 32 4 0 3 2 8 10 1 2 3 7 .750 .333 16.0 15.8
    16 Pablo Prigioni 35 NYK 1 16 0 0 0 0 1 1 3 0 0 0 16.0 -3.8
    17 Thomas Robinson 21 SAC 3 45 12 0 8 1 6 7 0 5 0 14 .333 .750 15.0 6.4
    18 Alexey Shved 24 MIN 1 15 3 2 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 .000 .000 15.0 -10.3

    whats really amazing is people critiquing his 3 point shoot selection when he is leading the rookie class with a 44% and is at averaging 3 attempts per game in this small sample
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    You can tell that when he plays with Kyrie he's still a bit worried about stepping on his toes and he plays with some hesitation. When Byron put him in at the start of the 4th and Kyrie was on the bench, he was back to what he did best and just attacked his man and got a couple of consecutive baskets.

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    Yea I wasn't saying make him come off the bench, I was saying that his time should be staggered with kyrie's.. Usually dion and thompson get taken out with around 6 mins left in the first and kyrie sticks around. Once kyrie gets subbed out dion should be subbed back in with the rest of the subs, and then when kyrie comes back sub him out again for a few minutes to keep playing time even.

    Also, I don't know if that remark was meant at me or not but I've always supported the Dion pick.. Harrison barnes is a scrub waiting to happen in my eyes and we already had tristan thompson so fk t rob.

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    I actually am enjoying watching the kid get acclimated these first 3 games. I'm not sure you could ask for anything more out of a kid in his situation. Sure, he needs to work on some things, but nothing at all that isn't completely expected by any rational person. So far, so good. I think as he gets more comfortable playing 2 different roles(one with KI and one without), his natural progression will begin to speed up a bit and we will have the makings of a pretty unique, dangerous backcourt. I can't think of many backcourts, assuming Dion's potential, like this one. Even the old Pistons duo leaves something lacking in comparison. Those two were great together, and obviously I'd love to see the overall team success that followed, but our two are a little different.

    Much of the rest of this team is frustratingly unwatchable at times, but these guys will make it much easier on my eyes/brain as this season goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Brickman View Post
    I have to say I am loving the irony of the rookie that most of the people on here didn't want the team to draft now being the only guy anyone trusts running the second unit.
    I don't think it's very ironic when you consider that one of the major worries was that his fit on this team would be as the de facto back up pg.

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    Dion will never have the length to bother people up top, but he's got the bulk and quick feet to bother people with positioning. If I remember correctly he should have given more effort to get through some picks in the 1st quarter against Ellis, but for the most part I was impressed with the way he bodied people up and made it hard to get through him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tornicade View Post
    fans seem to have already cast Waiters in the role as a "backup" for whatever reason.

    Scott has Waiters getting comfortable with his primary role for the team. the insistence that he plays off the bench in a "harden" type of role just because thats how okc did it... (to which okc did have 2 other scorers).

    Scott seems to have made some promises to some players and is intent on giving them the oppurtunity to get their time.

    You guys are complaining about Waiters playing time yet he is averaging third most for the rookies ater 3 games.
    I think you missed the point of what I was saying. I wasn't saying that I think Waiters should come off the bench, but rather that he should lead the second unit. As in, whenever Kyrie is on the bench, Dion should be on the court because he's the only other person on the team capable of consistently attacking the basket and setting up his teammates for shots. I absolutely think he should start, but I think the rotations should be managed so that Dion is on the court when Kyrie isn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by narbar32 View Post
    I don't think it's very ironic when you consider that one of the major worries was that his fit on this team would be as the de facto back up pg.
    The thing is, does anyone see Waiters play and think "back-up point guard?" I sure as hell don't. The person who controls the ball doesn't have to be a point guard. Look at the Heat. LeBron is largely the ball-handler for that team and he plays small forward and power forward. If you pair Dion with Daniel Gibson (a point guard with mediocre handles but a good three point shot), Waiters should absolutely be controlling the ball from the two-guard position. That doesn't make him a back-up point guard. It just makes him the go-to guy when Kyrie is out.

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    A future Waiters/Irving backcourt doesn't and never has bothered me. It's the future Thompson/Zeller frontcourt I'm more concerned about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NarlCavs View Post
    A future Waiters/Irving backcourt doesn't and never has bothered me. It's the future Thompson/Zeller frontcourt I'm more concerned about.
    Zeller, I dont think they plan on making him the future starter. I feel they will like him best off the bench, just like Gee. But he will still be a great bench player. They will look to address the SF and C in the future Drafts/Trades/FA -- But Zeller might be starter for a little bit. Doesn't mean they think of him as there for when we become a playoff team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClevelandOwnz View Post
    Zeller, I dont think they plan on making him the future starter. I feel they will like him best off the bench, just like Gee. But he will still be a great bench player. They will look to address the SF and C in the future Drafts/Trades/FA -- But Zeller might be starter for a little bit. Doesn't mean they think of him as there for when we become a playoff team.
    Zeller has a bigger chance of starting for our future "contending team" sadly.







    Okay, maybe that's just being pessimistic, but I really don't see either of them as starters at 4/5 unless we get stars at 1-3. If Dion turns into a star, and we trade/sign/draft a very good scoring SF, then we would only need Zeller and TT to be solid players.

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    Default Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

    I would like to see more of Dion playing off the ball, coming off screens, spot-up shooting, etc, because Kyrie is still the primary ball handler and we need Waiters to be able to score with the ball in Kyrie's hands.

    His stepback jumper is nasty though

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