Dion Waiters (All-Rookie First Team)

[ChicagoCavFan]

Didn't you make a LHLD thread for Kyrie last year? Make it happen. You have some voodoo in you.

I was also the culprit for Casspi Assfingers...and we see how that turned out.

[howler1313]

I honestly thought Dion played fine offensively last night. He shot poorly, but he wasn't taking bad or dumb shots. I counted only 3 forced shots, two of which were attacking the rim (and he probably would have gotten foul calls if he weren't a rookie). The other was a dumb ass three, but shit, Kyrie was forcing twice as much, so why shouldn't Dion chuck one up?

Defensively, my fears were realized in the fourth when he was forced to guard Joe Johnson. He just wasn't big enough to stay with him.

If I remember correctly, we always sent help when the Hawks tried to post up Joe Johnson on Delonte. It shouldn't be a big problem in the future when he learns to play with better leverage and positioning to offset his height/reach.

[Czvosec]

If I remember correctly, we always sent help when the Hawks tried to post up Joe Johnson on Delonte. It shouldn't be a big problem in the future when he learns to play with better leverage and positioning to offset his height/reach.

It worked when you had Andy/Big Ben, a 7-3 Z, and the best player in basketball playing alongside him.

I guess I'm not really making a point here.

[howler1313]

It worked when you had Andy/Big Ben, a 7-3 Z, and the best player in basketball playing alongside him.

I guess I'm not really making a point here.

I just think it's not that big a deal because there aren't many post-up SG's in the league to begin with, and with better work before his man catches the ball Dion can limit the effectiveness of the post up. Out of all of our defensive problems, id rank this way down the list behind an utter lack of shotblocking.

[Czvosec]

I just think it's not that big a deal because there aren't many post-up SG's in the league to begin with, and with better work before his man catches the ball Dion can limit the effectiveness of the post up. Out of all of our defensive problems, id rank this way down the list behind an utter lack of shotblocking.

I wasn't trying to peg it as THE problem going forward. Just something to keep an eye on.

[Daniel89]

I hate German Nba blogs... Defining Waiters as an egomaniac chucker ... Some people really dont have a clue about the Cavs...
Waiters had that nearly game-deciding assist to Varejao against the Clippers and 5 assists versus the Warriors, not really the definition of a chucker... Yes, he also forced some shots, but I'm glad that we now have someone besides Kyrie who can create his own shot...
Not a problem with Waiters hoisting up a few bad shots as I know he's capable of making them, unlike the other perimeter players on the Cavs

[Lumthemad]

Dion has shown himself to a lot more well rounded in terms of his gameplay than i was expecting. I knew he had the ability to make tough shots and offensively at times was going to get his but i'm also pleased with his ability to pass and his sometimes ability to defend. My main gripe still with him is he tries to pick and choose when he's going to play hard on the offense end and he needs to bring it straight from the tip off.

[theSTEREO.]

Not really sure what thread to put this in, but this caught my eye.

@WFNYScott
"Let me reiterate: THE LINEUP OF IRVING, WAITERS, GEE, THOMPSON, AND VAREJAO LEADS THE NBA IN +/-." dlvr.it/2VFQS0 #Cavs
10:57am - 16 Nov 12

[Pioneer10]

Not really sure what thread to put this in, but this caught my eye.

@WFNYScott
"Let me reiterate: THE LINEUP OF IRVING, WAITERS, GEE, THOMPSON, AND VAREJAO LEADS THE NBA IN +/-." dlvr.it/2VFQS0 #Cavs
10:57am - 16 Nov 12

Byron Scott and Chris Grant need to win COY and EOY respectively based on this data. Amazing that you're freaking starting lineup has the best +/- of any lineup in the league and and you still have the 8th worse point differential in the league. That's an amazing performance driving the tank while you are building a strong foundation and keeping fan interest

[Jack Brickman]

Byron Scott and Chris Grant need to win COY and EOY respectively based on this data. Amazing that you're freaking starting lineup has the best +/- of any lineup in the league and and you still have the 8th worse point differential in the league. That's an amazing performance driving the tank while keeping building a foundation and keeping fan interest

It really is pretty masterful tanking. They're not losing intentionally or holding out players. They just put together the worst bench in the entire history of basketball.

[Jon]

Byron Scott and Chris Grant need to win COY and EOY respectively based on this data. Amazing that you're freaking starting lineup has the best +/- of any lineup in the league and and you still have the 8th worse point differential in the league. That's an amazing performance driving the tank while keeping building a foundation and keeping fan interest

It's very impressive, but somewhat exaggerated because our starting 5 has played a ton of minutes together compared to other groups around the league.

For instance, 82games says our starting 5 has played 120.7 minutes and are +50.

The red hot Knicks starting 5 is at +31, but have only played 49.7 minutes together.

[Jack Brickman]

It's very impressive, but somewhat exaggerated because our starting 5 has played a ton of minutes together compared to other groups around the league.

For instance, 82games says our starting 5 has played 120.7 minutes and are +50.

The red hot Knicks starting 5 is at +31, but have only played 49.7 minutes together.

Our starting five has to play a ton of minutes together to avoid fan depression.

[Jon]

Our starting five has to play a ton of minutes together to avoid fan depression.

I hope they continue playing a ton of minutes together in order to build continuity and a core, but losing due to such an obvious problem can get frustrating, and Scott will probably keep tinkering to try to find a mix and maybe CG or DG will feel compelled to try something.

The Wiz just released Janero Pargo so they could sign Shaun Livingston.

I'm not even going to bother looking up their numbers, but these guys (or someone out there) has got to be better than what we're running out there.

It'll be interesting to see if they stay on the tank-path.

[B3team]

I hope they continue playing a ton of minutes together in order to build continuity and a core, but losing due to such an obvious problem can get frustrating, and Scott will probably keep tinkering to try to find a mix and maybe CG or DG will feel compelled to try something.

The Wiz just released Janero Pargo so they could sign Shaun Livingston.

I'm not even going to bother looking up their numbers, but these guys (or someone out there) has got to be better than what we're running out there.

It'll be interesting to see if they stay on the tank-path.

Whenever all of these players are on your team at the same time, you never really need to look at any numbers:

Walton, Sloan, Casspi, Harangody, Pargo, Samuels, Miles, Leuer.

[MoFlo]

It's very impressive, but somewhat exaggerated because our starting 5 has played a ton of minutes together compared to other groups around the league.

For instance, 82games says our starting 5 has played 120.7 minutes and are +50.

The red hot Knicks starting 5 is at +31, but have only played 49.7 minutes together.

Sure, you can look at it this way.. but doesn't more minutes together also mean they've had more time to "come back down to Earth" and make the stat even more impressive?