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    I'm not concerned about both on the floor at the same time. Did you forget about how the offense would be initiated by one or the other? At times, Kyrie started in the corner with Dion initiating. The Motion offense with our C at the top really interchanges the 1, 2 and 3 guard/forward. The offense is in place for both to succeed. It is apparent to me.

    We have gelled more as a "unit" since Kyrie went down. Just guys getting used to their roles and stepping up.

    I just hope the board doesn't explode if we experience some pains when he returns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoCavFan View Post
    I'm not concerned about both on the floor at the same time. Did you forget about how the offense would be initiated by one or the other? At times, Kyrie started in the corner with Dion initiating. The Motion offense with our C at the top really interchanges the 1, 2 and 3 guard/forward. The offense is in place for both to succeed. It is apparent to me.

    We have gelled more as a "unit" since Kyrie went down. Just guys getting used to their roles and stepping up.

    I just hope the board doesn't explode if we experience some pains when he returns.
    Haha, good luck with that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimme Some Mo View Post
    A of right now, Dion is not a better shooter than Hughes was in Cleveland. Dion's shooting %'s are terrible. Will they improve with better shot selection? Of course..... but so would have Hughes'.
    Dion needs to work on that right now..those quick off balance/one step fades are causing bad release points.
    He doesn't need to do that.
    He has shown he has a good handle can dish and he needs to use those skills to get himself a higher % shot.

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    Say what you want about Dion's FG %, its blatantly obvious how much the Cavs need him out on the floor. He's a focal point. He's one of the few players on this team capable of attacking the rim, while also being a threat to pass at any moment.

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    From the PD:

    Dion Waiters (sprained left ankle) did not practice with #Cavs today and coach BScott said he's ''50-50'' to play against Bulls on Weds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czvosec View Post
    Say what you want about Dion's FG %, its blatantly obvious how much the Cavs need him out on the floor. He's a focal point. He's one of the few players on this team capable of attacking the rim, while also being a threat to pass at any moment.
    Not sure how much this proves about Dion's value but w/o him we've lost 2 straight games by 10 points. Even w/o Kyrie the last time we had one of these kind of lopsided defeats (i.e. loss margin greater then or equal to 10) was 10 games prior to him getting hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer10 View Post
    Not sure how much this proves about Dion's value but w/o him we've lost 2 straight games by 10 points. Even w/o Kyrie the last time we had one of these kind of lopsided defeats (i.e. loss margin greater then or equal to 10) was 10 games prior to him getting hurt.
    Well, his value is that he can penetrate and distribute. He takes some bad shots, sure, but who else on this team besides maybe Kyrie has the court vision that Waiters has? Waiters has also shown a willingness to pass the ball (and more importantly, to make the right pass) that I'm not sure even Kyrie has equaled. You need guys like that to set up your role players for shots. Without Dion and Kyrie our role players have no one to play off of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Brickman View Post
    Well, his value is that he can penetrate and distribute. He takes some bad shots, sure, but who else on this team besides maybe Kyrie has the court vision that Waiters has? Waiters has also shown a willingness to pass the ball (and more importantly, to make the right pass) that I'm not sure even Kyrie has equaled. You need guys like that to set up your role players for shots. Without Dion and Kyrie our role players have no one to play off of.
    Kyrie's assist % is still the highest. I'll be surprised if it's ever higher than Kyrie's if that means anything in willingness to pass the ball.
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    Kyrie's shooting efficiency is out of this world for a rookie PG, but a rich man's Daniel Gibson isn't one of the best PGs in the league. He needs to keep improving his actual PG skills (running plays, setting up others, delivering the ball where guys can catch it, etc, etc) to get up in the top echelon.

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    This story is a must read for stat lovers and stat haters alike.

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8719297/how-kobe-bryant-missed-shots-translate-new-nba-statistic-kobe-assist


    round the league this season, there are other examples of effective misses. Cavs rookie Dion Waiters provides a fascinating case. He's making 36 percent of his 3s so far this season, which is average, but incredibly the Cavs have rebounded 35 of his 54 misses (65 percent) from beyond the arc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Douglar View Post
    This story is a must read for stat lovers and stat haters alike.
    I wish he could have actually somehow shown that certain players are doing something that generates more offensive rebounds, otherwise it's hard to look past the fact that some teams are simply better at offensive rebounding than others. Heck, it was a staple of Hedo Turkoglu's game when he played with Howard to just kind of softly heave a shot up at the rim or backboard knowing that Dwight would go get it and throw it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    I wish he could have actually somehow shown that certain players are doing something that generates more offensive rebounds, otherwise it's hard to look past the fact that some teams are simply better at offensive rebounding than others.
    Maybe you posted this before you finished reading the part about James Hardin and Omar Asik?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    I wish he could have actually somehow shown that certain players are doing something that generates more offensive rebounds, otherwise it's hard to look past the fact that some teams are simply better at offensive rebounding than others. Heck, it was a staple of Hedo Turkoglu's game when he played with Howard to just kind of softly heave a shot up at the rim or backboard knowing that Dwight would go get it and throw it down.
    Or that some teams, as the article suggested and I showed a couple weeks ago, don't stress offensive rebounding as much. It really makes you wonder. Is it better to not worry so much about getting a miss and hustle back on D? Many on here dismissed my findings from this year and last, but I think there is something to all of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Douglar View Post
    Maybe you posted this before you finished reading the part about James Hardin and Omar Asik?
    No. I didn't bother to see if asik actually was a good offensive rebounder with the bulls. It's his point to prove not mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    No. I didn't bother to see if asik actually was a good offensive rebounder with the bulls. It's his point to prove not mine.
    Perhaps a reread of the article is in order then.

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    @PDcavsinsider
    Dion Waiters did not make the trip to Minnesota. Remains in Cleveland to rehab sprained left ankle

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