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    Default Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkins View Post
    It is unfair to criticize Zeller for underperforming as a starting center in the NBA. He is a rookie. Regardless of his age, he is a rookie. As some have pointed out, it is rare for a non lottery pick to be a long term piece, let alone a strong contributor their rookie year. Zeller was really excelling in his role off the bench. It has been really interesting actually to see how Tristan really grew and Zeller declined once Andy went down. Tristan was in a bad situation for his development at that time while Zeller was in a perfect one. I'm happy that Tristan has really started to develop. His status as a player is much more important to our long term ability as a team. Zeller will at least be a be a capable off the bench big in the NBA. I don't think he will start, but he will certainly help win some games over the course of his career.
    My problems with Zeller have nothing to do with that. I just wish the guy would play with more intensity, passion, and toughness. Intangibles know no set of age, or experience.

    Someone needs to piss him off more, because last night he finally got pissed, and showed some of that. Good. Play like that every night.
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    Default Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

    Quote Originally Posted by godfather View Post
    My problems with Zeller have nothing to do with that. I just wish the guy would play with more intensity, passion, and toughness. Intangibles know no set of age, or experience.

    Someone needs to piss him off more, because last night he finally got pissed, and showed some of that. Good. Play like that every night.
    Toughness isn't a learned skill. Desire isn't a learned skill. They have to come from within. It is what separates the great from the average in sports. I think Zeller might just be a nice guy, athletic guy, 7fter with an outside shot. He has a role on a team. But you can't expect a guy to be an enforcer intense guy when it just isn't who he is. I'm sure he can become stronger and develop as a player. But he won't be that vocal rah rah in your face type guy. We DO need one though. It just won't be Tyler.

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    Default Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkins View Post
    Toughness isn't a learned skill. Desire isn't a learned skill. They have to come from within. It is what separates the great from the average in sports. I think Zeller might just be a nice guy, athletic guy, 7fter with an outside shot. He has a role on a team. But you can't expect a guy to be an enforcer intense guy when it just isn't who he is. I'm sure he can become stronger and develop as a player. But he won't be that vocal rah rah in your face type guy. We DO need one though. It just won't be Tyler.
    He doesn't have to be a bruiser, I want guys that are going to play hard, with passion, and the intensity needed to compete out there. Andy was just as skinny as Tyler, and played that way from day one. Zeller too often looks like he doesn't want to get his hands dirty, and play the way a guy needs to if he's going survive in the league.

    I actually think Tyler has some skill in his game to be a nice role player off the bench. I want to see the fire and desire to want to compete night in and night out from him. If he gives that, I won't say a bad word about him.

    I don't know. Maybe I'm getting too old. I just remember a time when a 7 ft player had to play like one to make it in this league. Times have changed, I guess.
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    Default Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

    There's a difference between being weak and being soft. Tyler is both. Andy is weak compared to other NBA centers, but he is in no way soft. Tyler really isn't that weak, especially for a backup. The problem is he is soft, and that usually doesn't change. Short wingspan not helping either. Had he stayed at say 6'5'' instead of growing to 7', he probably wouldn't have done more than make a college team and ride the bench.

    EDIT: Somehow missed godfather's post.

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    Default Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

    Quote Originally Posted by godfather View Post
    It's not just drive and dish game, the pick and pop game where its hurting us. Zeller doesn't scare a team enough to provide proper floor spacing. He's open quite a bit on the pick and pop, and Tyler is lacking confidence so badly, even he is becoming very gun shy to take that shot. He passed up at least 2-3 open shots last night. That's a guy that is playing with no confidence at all.
    Agree with the pick and pop, but I'm also seeing something that I think I posted about earlier regarding his strength coming into that equation. Zeller seems to not only need to add bulk, but some core strength.

    Watch him shoot. He's got a nice shot and good form when completely stationary. But when he's on the move (like after setting a pick), he begins to lose the strength and balance throughout his body needed for his shooting form. He's also got defenders, when they bother to try to recover on him, coming at him faster than he's used to. He could offset that by putting the ball on the deck (which AC seems to beg for each game), but so far seems reluctant. I'd agree that part of it is being too passive. Also think the fact that he's usually 20+ feet from the basket hinders him too, as defenses can typically recover in time to block his path to the hoop.

    I wish he'd play a little less cerebrally as well. He seems to be running at 56k with everyone else on HighSpeed, and part of that is he's thinking too much. It's like he's always trying to do the right thing while fitting in with everyone (especially Dion and Kyrie). He needs to stop being as concerned about fitting in with the alpha's.

    Don't see much mention of it, but he does take a lot of charges. Is he still up in the league leaders?

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    Default Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

    Luke Walton is an example of a guy that very little, to no talent. But is able to last this long in the NBA because of his extremely high I.Q, his hustle, heart, passion, and high intensity. If Zeller can take that same route, he'll be around for a very long time. I didn't think Luke Walton's still exist in the NBA. That guy is going to be one great head coach one day. I love players like him.
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    Default Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

    I scream at the television every time Tyler is passed the ball at the top of the key, then just stands there with a panic body language while his defender is backed off him a couple of steps. He's like some knockoff of the Statue of Liberty.

    On the defensive side, he reaches way too often which results in foul trouble. Inexperience and fatigue have to be factors there.

    Odd thing about his rebounding, or lack of same, is how often he has proper position but either gets out-jumped or 'nudged' enough so the opponent reaches over his head and gets the ball.

    I agree about his needing some mental toughness. NBA bigs need an attitude to survive the nightly battles in the paint. Some core strength would make a difference.

    I hope to see some progress in his game during the second half of the season.

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    Default Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

    Getting very worried. Earlier in the season, I gave up on his defense, conceding he was to weak to compete. BUt now? Suddenly, he's developed JJ Hickson brick hands, which, when coupled with his non-existent jumper, makes him a total liability on offense, too.
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    Default Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

    For my own sanity, I've lost all hope that Tyler will develop into anything beyond a below average player. Anything more than that is a pleasant surprise for me.

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    Default Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

    Zeller hasn't been doing anything well lately. Terrible in all areas of the game. Looks weak and lost and getting beaten all over the floor. Hard to see him as anything more than a 15-18 minute a game backup at best on a good team. I'm not at all giving up on him and do think he will improve and have a long career. Just have low and reasonable expectations for him. Cavs still have a big long term hole at C.

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    Default Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

    There's no question. When his teammates ganged up on him, he lost almost all of his confidence. Now his coach is inching away from him even against Nikola. How the hell do you get it back? Can it actually cost you your career?
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    Default Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

    Quote Originally Posted by NarlCavs View Post
    Zeller hasn't been doing anything well lately. Terrible in all areas of the game. Looks weak and lost and getting beaten all over the floor. Hard to see him as anything more than a pine-riding roster spot filler at best on a good team.
    Better assessment of Zeller IMHO. I would've said "towel waver" instead of "roster spot filler", but that would imply he puts emotion and effort into his job. To this point he's demonstrated that is the antithesis of his persona, so I wouldn't dare presume this would change with his more fitting role.
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    Default Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

    I am not ready to call Zeller a pine-rider or towel waver. He has too many skills that are uncommon in today's league. I'm sure he has never had this little confidence in himself, but I believe it will be restored slowly. How many guys are 7 feet tall, have range out to 20 feet, and have a smooth touch around the basket from either side. He has also shown the ability to use his left hand both in college and the pros.

    This is in no way a Zeller love fest, I can't stand his play right now. His jumper never goes in anymore and he is lost on both ends of the floor. However, the skills are there. I think the Basketball IQ is too. He needs to bulk up and he needs to start feeling confident again.

    Is the guy going to ever be a perennial all-star? Of course not. I still think that he will be looked back on as a steal of a draft pick, though.

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    Default Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

    There probably isn't anything much worse for a young guy than to lose all your confidence the way he has. He's smart enough to realize how his terrible play is really hurting this team, and that can be a tough burden to carry, as well. I would say he's approaching that point of not being able to get much lower right now. I think he'll be ok, but it might not be this season. It may take a good offseason of hard work and, frankly, just being away from the everyday grind of the 82 game schedule to get where he needs to be.
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