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    I've seen parts of 2 Toronto games and saw all of JV's minutes in the OKC game. He was on the court for about 1/2 of Thabeet's minutes.
    So far I haven't seen anything to change my opinion of him. I never saw him as a star or dominating C but as a solid NBA starting C. He shows enough solid strength, quickness, athleticism and fluidity for his position to make me believe there is enough there for him to be a solid starting C. Of course he needs a lot more development and patience but that's true of almost every young player. Not everything will be perfect or look too pretty and we see that with Cavs young players too. You do just want to see some signs though.

    Toronto doesn't look to him much now in the offense. Many of their players do seem a little too intent to look for their own and jack up shots. He's used a lot to set screens and picks and was ignored or missed when open on pick and rolls. He does at least show an understanding already of what a big man/C should do and how they should play. He did have a nice running hook over Perkins and while being fouled by Perkins in the OKC game. Some have seemed to accuse him of being weak and not physical and that is not the case at all. Wasn't outmuscled or intimidated by Perkins in that game and has shown a willingness to mix it up.
    Since FT shooting seems to be a big thing for some when discussing young bigs, JV shows great form and was 6-6 from the line in the OKC game.
    His 36/per numbers come out to approx. 15 pts 9 reb's now so that's pretty solid. Not seeing major minutes in every game but will probably be brought along at a slower pace. Hopefully Toronto uses him more in their offense and his teammates look to him a little more as time goes on. Shown he's willing to sacrifice for them and help set them up.

    Still only 20 and it's only 5 games in. May not ever be a star but like I said he's shown enough so far in what I've seen to make me think he can be a solid starting C.
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    Default Re: The Jonas V thread

    +/- and lineup charts on basketball reference now--

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...211070DAL.html

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    16 minutes last night. The game went into 3 OT. What gives? Is he just that much of a defensive liability?

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    19 mins, 3 points, 2 bounds. Fouled out.

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    Interesting stats. The first 9 games of Tristan's career--71 points and 41 rebounds. First 9 games of Jonas' career--70 points and 44 rebounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NarlCavs View Post
    Interesting stats. The first 9 games of Tristan's career--71 points and 41 rebounds. First 9 games of Jonas' career--70 points and 44 rebounds.
    I have a feeling we're going to be comparing these two their entire careers
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    Valunciunas should be a better rebounder considering the team hes on and the people he plays with. I thought his elite rebounding would translate but so far it hasnt

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    More Jonas getting dunked on..





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    Quote Originally Posted by InBoobieWeTrust View Post
    Valunciunas should be a better rebounder considering the team hes on and the people he plays with. I thought his elite rebounding would translate but so far it hasnt
    He's been an excellent offensive rebounder, but his defensive rebounding is a mess. He's poor at boxing out, has no lift/burst and can't get rebounds out of his area. Right now Valanciunas' game is getting offensive rebounds and getting putback points. I think his most impressive/unique skill right now is his 2nd jump on offensive rebounds, it's allowed him to offensive rebound his own misses and score the 2nd time multiple times this season, or if it tips off another players' hand he can quickly recover to go back up for a second ORB try and tip it out. He also made a pretty nice 2nd jump defensive play this game where he went up for the DRB, didn't get it, but got up again quickly enough to deflect it out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shack View Post
    He's been an excellent offensive rebounder, but his defensive rebounding is a mess. He's poor at boxing out, has no lift/burst and can't get rebounds out of his area. Right now Valanciunas' game is getting offensive rebounds and getting putback points. I think his most impressive/unique skill right now is his 2nd jump on offensive rebounds, it's allowed him to offensive rebound his own misses and score the 2nd time multiple times this season, or if it tips off another players' hand he can quickly recover to go back up for a second ORB try and tip it out. He also made a pretty nice 2nd jump defensive play this game where he went up for the DRB, didn't get it, but got up again quickly enough to deflect it out
    That would go with what I saw from the tape I saw of him. He always seemed to be reaching for his rebounds instead of getting the positioning to get them. NBA just isn't going to let him get away with that. I still think he's best off getting the outside shot straight and with his shooting touch, he should be able to learn it.

    It's really going to come down to how much weight can he add and not lose his mobility

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    JONAS V THE NEW SHAWN BRADLEY. You heard it here first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Len View Post
    JONAS V THE NEW SHAWN BRADLEY. You heard it here first.
    I think you're just jealous because you're trying wiggle you're way into the top 5 next year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KB View Post
    I think you're just jealous because you're trying wiggle you're way into the top 5 next year...

    I see what you did there. I would buy the jersey right away. He might actually be a great fit with us if he keeps showing his worth over the course of the season.

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    he had a good game tonight, really grinding in there, but it was against a small ball team. kid still needs a lot of work and needs to bulk up and play harder when contesting shots, but as long as we have a clog in the big man position he's not going to see a lot of playing time. expect a a trade soon from the raptors and so start putting couple of raptors on your fantasy watch list, we're in need of a quality SF and casey promised tight rotations once the core is established.
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    Still having trouble with fouls but he's playing well.
    I would have loved to have seen how Zeller and Jonas would have looked together if we had taken Jonas ahead of TT. Both Jonas and TZ seem like they can play minutes at the 4 as long at isn't a super small ball team.
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