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    Default Re: The Jonas V thread

    6:58 to go in the Toronto Sac game Im watching, and I have to say Raptorfan...

    You guys have a player in Ed Davis. That dunk on James Johnson where Calderon fed him, was NASTY. He has like 13pts and 11rbs in only 20 mins at this point. Without a play called for him. He's learned how to use his length well. Bargs is holding him back.

    I was hoping he was a FA at the end of the year but I just checked and he's locked up for the next 2 years. SMH
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    Default Re: The Jonas V thread

    Quote Originally Posted by RchfldCavRaised View Post
    6:58 to go in the Toronto Sac game Im watching, and I have to say Raptorfan...

    You guys have a player in Ed Davis. That dunk on James Johnson where Calderon fed him, was NASTY. He has like 13pts and 11rbs in only 20 mins at this point. Without a play called for him. He's learned how to use his length well. Bargs is holding him back.

    I was hoping he was a FA at the end of the year but I just checked and he's locked up for the next 2 years. SMH
    It's cool man we got Tristan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by th1 View Post
    i don't think raptors have a single play that they would run for Val. Not even a fucking pick and roll. Lowry is not a pass first pg and DeMar is selfish chucker who will try to pull off some Kobe type of fadeaway jumper and fail, instead of giving ball to wide open Val. Same is with Bargniani. Calderon is the only one who can try pick and roll with Jonas. There is a reason why raptors suck like lolcats. Game against spurs showed what Jonas is capable of if he gets the ball.

    I guess many cavs fans expected a game changer from the lottery and had huge hopes, and so far Tristan doesn't look like a player who would be taken with such a high pick. JV might not be the second comming of Duncan, but i don't think he will be any worse than Tristan
    Jonas sets horrendous screens (he barely touches the player before slipping) and has below average foot-speed. It's pretty easy to guard a lumbering roller, especially after a slip screen. He's scored a few times this year on players that resemble a pnr but it's because the defense fell asleep and left him wide open. The main reason he's been both disappointing as a rebounder and a pnr player is that his athleticism was horribly overrated, the guy is about as athletic as players like Chris Kaman, Timofey Mozgov and the great Rasho Nesterovic. He gives up a lot of offensive rebounds just by nature of being lead-footed both vertically and horizontally

    Jonas has more pick and pop potential than pick and roll potential IMO. With his height if he can learn to set a screen, he can get that midrange jumpshot off a lot. Whereas I have a hard time seeing him do damage rolling to the basket with his weak footspeed. I think Kaman, Rasho, Nenad Krstic post surgery Big Z might be comparisons for him

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    Jonas has looked awful the last 5 Gs. He is no more exciting a prospect than TT IMO. Just not a lot of it factor in terms of special talent, he's a big lug with decent hands. But I hate his spatial awareness especially on the defensive end. Nothing indicates to me he will be a defensive anchor. Slow feet and weak court sense is a bad combo defensively and I don't remember many defensive anchors who started as complete liabilities, he's basically Bargnani help defense wise and he gets destroyed by all post scorers 1 on 1

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    Jonas is a spot up shooter and post man and slightly edges out Thompson on the pick and roll. Thompson is more effective at offensive rebounding which lets him pick up more points. Thompson is better at Jona in cutting to the basket and on the transition.

    Any advantage Jonas has offensively he gives up defensively.

    Thompson is pronouncedly superior at defending isolation plays when his man gets the ball. Thompson is also superior at defending the post where not only does his thompsons opponents shoot less effectively but he also creates more turnovers defending the post.

    Jonas was for a bit showing a better performance at defending spot up shooters. but Thompson has improved at this area of his defense as well.

    now JV is measuring up better when compared to Zeller but zeller is a true rookie in his first year of professional basketball. defensively JV really has an edge on zeller on the isolation.
    everywhere else they are about even defensively. although I am not sure if its because of the players respective defensive scheme or ability to block out
    JV is defending the post 58% of his defensive plays whereas Zeller defends 25% of the time. Its an indicator that Zeller may be considerably better at keeping his guy out of the post or that could be a product of the teams defensive schemes.

    Offensively Jonas gets more offensive rebound scoring opportunities and is better at converting when he does. He is also more effectve at the pick roll at this point. JV's real offensive edge is post up conversions. Zeller currently doesnt get many opportunities in this area accounting for only 4% of his shots but if he did a 37% fg percentage wouldnt be a stretch.

    at the moment I am quite comfortable that we passed up on a player who didnt want to play here and has a long way to go to develop his defense

    Which brings in Drummond.

    Thompson is more effective at cutting to the basket. Drummond overall is the better finisher but Thompson gets far more post oppurtunities. (which really sucks because he gets blocked all the time.

    Defensively Thompson is well ahead of drummond and he should be in all fairness. Should Thompson learn how to post up without getting blocked. Thompson has a much beter chance to be a complete player on both sides of the court.

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    Coach Dwane Casey said before the game that he toyed with the idea of changing is starting lineup — replacing Jonas Valanciunas with Amir Johnson — but didn’t make a move after closer review of Wednesday’s game in Sacramento.
    “I hinted at possible lineup changes, but again I think that would send the wrong message,” he said. “We want to be patient with our young kid (Valanciunas) and sometimes it’s frustrating. Sometimes he’s frustrated a little bit but he’s growing. As many mistakes as he’s making, he’s also growing.”

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    Have said from the start that both Jonas and Thompson are likely to be average players. I still take an average C over an average PF. One position (C) is difficult to fill while the other (PF) is the easiest position to fill in the NBA.
    Jonas has played poorly lately. No denying that. For both these players it's about what they'll be like in 3-5 years not all about what they are now. You do just want to see some signs though from both. Jonas also is a rookie and a year younger than Thompson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorFan View Post
    all is doom and gloom in raptor land. guess we'll be joining you guys in the lottery hunt

    oh wait we gave away our pick for lowry, and we get to see fields absolutely suck when he comes back. D:





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    Quote Originally Posted by NarlCavs View Post
    Have said from the start that both Jonas and Thompson are likely to be average players. I still take an average C over an average PF. One position (C) is difficult to fill while the other (PF) is the easiest position to fill in the NBA.
    Jonas has played poorly lately. No denying that. For both these players it's about what they'll be like in 3-5 years not all about what they are now. You do just want to see some signs though from both. Jonas also is a rookie and a year younger than Thompson.
    Well, we have an average center in Tyler Zeller, no worries!

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    Another banner game for Val. Ugh, I just don't see it at all in regards to upside, he's the definition of a stiff right now to me from his combination of sluggishness athletically to being half a second slower than everyone reading plays all over the court mentally. When you add those two things together you usually have a career who's biggest highlights superstars dunking on you. I think the teams in the 2011 draft just got screwed. 4th in 2011 was like 11th in a regular draft, just a lot of role player talents projected in the top 10. That or it's the scouts/"consensus" picks fault for ranking the wrong guys too high instead of Klay and Leonard and Faried. I would probably take Jimmer over everyone else but Irving in the top 10. Jimmer looks like a STAR in this clip to me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjXvT7bhJhQ I think he could go Tebow on the Kings franchise soon

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    I think he could go Tebow on the Kings franchise soon
    what does that mean? Will he will become a backup that gets no playing time?

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    http://www.nba.com/2012/news/12/21/r...s=iref:nbahpts

    Raptors' Valanciunas breaks finger vs. Magic


    Posted Dec 21, 2012 8:12 PM

    TORONTO (AP) -- Raptors rookie Jonas Valanciunas broke his right ring finger in the first quarter Friday night against Orlando.

    Valanciunas grabbed his hand after battling for a loose ball under the Magic basket midway through the quarter. He was slow to get back on defense, and left the court wincing in pain when he was replaced by Amir Johnson. Valanciunas was taken for X-rays, which revealed the fracture.

    Drafted fifth overall in 2011, Valanciunas played in Lithuania last season before joining the Raptors. He's averaging 8.1 points and 5.4 rebounds and has started all 28 games.
    I guess the Jonas vs. Tristan debate will continue even longer now that it will be hard to settle when one of them is not playing . . . not that this was going to be resolved soon anyway.

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    TORONTO -- The Toronto Raptors say rookie Jonas Valanciunas is expected to be out four to six weeks while he recovers from a broken ring finger on his right hand.

    Valanciunas was battling for a loose ball under the basket when he fell and was hurt during Toronto's 93-90 victory over the Orlando Magic on Dec. 21.

    The 7-foot Lithuanian center saw hand specialist Dr. Herb von Schroeder in Toronto on Saturday, but it was determined surgery will not be required.

    Valanciunas has started in all 28 games for the Raptors this season, averaging 7.8 points and 5.2 rebounds. He is fourth in the league among rookies in rebounds and blocks per game.

    Drafted fifth overall in 2011, Valanciunas played in Lithuania last season before joining the Raptors.

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    Before you say it, I know he's injured. That counts against our guys with skeptics, though.



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    This thread has been awful quiet lately. Needs a bump.

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