The Jonas V thread

[Mdog1]

Sounds like there's a sliver of hope (and a reason for concern if the Cavs trade for that pick):



So if Houston gets a top-3 selection in the '13 draft which propels them to the playoffs in future seasons, it sounds like Houston's "guaranteed lottery pick" actually produces nothing.

BC could draft MJ, Shaq, and Magic, and still find a way to screw it up my man.

[RaptorFan]

[Rich]

Maybe I'm blind, a hater, a homer, or all three, but I REALLY don't see why so many Cavs fans are upset we passed on this guy for Tristan. Show me what in the hell he's done so far this season to warrant the angst? He's a non-factor so much of the time you forget he's even out there.

[th1]

i don't think raptors have a single play that they would run for Val. Not even a fucking pick and roll. Lowry is not a pass first pg and DeMar is selfish chucker who will try to pull off some Kobe type of fadeaway jumper and fail, instead of giving ball to wide open Val. Same is with Bargniani. Calderon is the only one who can try pick and roll with Jonas. There is a reason why raptors suck like lolcats. Game against spurs showed what Jonas is capable of if he gets the ball.

I guess many cavs fans expected a game changer from the lottery and had huge hopes, and so far Tristan doesn't look like a player who would be taken with such a high pick. JV might not be the second comming of Duncan, but i don't think he will be any worse than Tristan

["Boobie" Gibson]

Maybe I'm blind, a hater, a homer, or all three, but I REALLY don't see why so many Cavs fans are upset we passed on this guy for Tristan. Show me what in the hell he's done so far this season to warrant the angst? He's a non-factor so much of the time you forget he's even out there.

It is in Cleveland fan's blood to bitch and moan about everything and anything. Tristan isn't performing too well, so say we'd rather have X to make up for it.

I guarantee a large number of people on this board had never even seen him play more than 1 or 2 times before this season. People literally just say things they hear the media say and run with it. SO annoying.

[Jon]

Jonas should be a better rebounder than he is. He plays a majority of his minutes next to Andrea Bargnani who averages less than 5 rebounds per game.

His rebounding acumen is not translating from the Euroleagues. That's gotta be a concern for him. His offense is coming along somewhat nicely-though I still think he plays too slow offensively to be a star. At least he's big.

I really was looking for him to make more of an impact on the glass and defensively though.

I noticed that his rebound rate was just 8.4 per 36 the other day, and considered bringing it up; but he's got a lot of time to improve on that - and he should if he can stop playing basketball all year and get on an NBA strength building program.

[RaptorFan]

I noticed that his rebound rate was just 8.4 per 36 the other day, and considered bringing it up; but he's got a lot of time to improve on that - and he should if he can stop playing basketball all year and get on an NBA strength building program.

well jonas does box out for dudes like lowry, ed davis and amir to grab them (see their rebounding numbers) but yes i agree he needs to get a little greedy because i have him on my fantasy team

[RchfldCavRaised]

6:58 to go in the Toronto Sac game Im watching, and I have to say Raptorfan...

You guys have a player in Ed Davis. That dunk on James Johnson where Calderon fed him, was NASTY. He has like 13pts and 11rbs in only 20 mins at this point. Without a play called for him. He's learned how to use his length well. Bargs is holding him back.

I was hoping he was a FA at the end of the year but I just checked and he's locked up for the next 2 years. SMH

[Mdog1]

6:58 to go in the Toronto Sac game Im watching, and I have to say Raptorfan...

You guys have a player in Ed Davis. That dunk on James Johnson where Calderon fed him, was NASTY. He has like 13pts and 11rbs in only 20 mins at this point. Without a play called for him. He's learned how to use his length well. Bargs is holding him back.

I was hoping he was a FA at the end of the year but I just checked and he's locked up for the next 2 years. SMH

It's cool man we got Tristan.

[Shack]

i don't think raptors have a single play that they would run for Val. Not even a fucking pick and roll. Lowry is not a pass first pg and DeMar is selfish chucker who will try to pull off some Kobe type of fadeaway jumper and fail, instead of giving ball to wide open Val. Same is with Bargniani. Calderon is the only one who can try pick and roll with Jonas. There is a reason why raptors suck like lolcats. Game against spurs showed what Jonas is capable of if he gets the ball.

I guess many cavs fans expected a game changer from the lottery and had huge hopes, and so far Tristan doesn't look like a player who would be taken with such a high pick. JV might not be the second comming of Duncan, but i don't think he will be any worse than Tristan

Jonas sets horrendous screens (he barely touches the player before slipping) and has below average foot-speed. It's pretty easy to guard a lumbering roller, especially after a slip screen. He's scored a few times this year on players that resemble a pnr but it's because the defense fell asleep and left him wide open. The main reason he's been both disappointing as a rebounder and a pnr player is that his athleticism was horribly overrated, the guy is about as athletic as players like Chris Kaman, Timofey Mozgov and the great Rasho Nesterovic. He gives up a lot of offensive rebounds just by nature of being lead-footed both vertically and horizontally

Jonas has more pick and pop potential than pick and roll potential IMO. With his height if he can learn to set a screen, he can get that midrange jumpshot off a lot. Whereas I have a hard time seeing him do damage rolling to the basket with his weak footspeed. I think Kaman, Rasho, Nenad Krstic post surgery Big Z might be comparisons for him

[Shack]

Jonas has looked awful the last 5 Gs. He is no more exciting a prospect than TT IMO. Just not a lot of it factor in terms of special talent, he's a big lug with decent hands. But I hate his spatial awareness especially on the defensive end. Nothing indicates to me he will be a defensive anchor. Slow feet and weak court sense is a bad combo defensively and I don't remember many defensive anchors who started as complete liabilities, he's basically Bargnani help defense wise and he gets destroyed by all post scorers 1 on 1

[Tornicade]

Jonas is a spot up shooter and post man and slightly edges out Thompson on the pick and roll. Thompson is more effective at offensive rebounding which lets him pick up more points. Thompson is better at Jona in cutting to the basket and on the transition.

Any advantage Jonas has offensively he gives up defensively.

Thompson is pronouncedly superior at defending isolation plays when his man gets the ball. Thompson is also superior at defending the post where not only does his thompsons opponents shoot less effectively but he also creates more turnovers defending the post.

Jonas was for a bit showing a better performance at defending spot up shooters. but Thompson has improved at this area of his defense as well.

now JV is measuring up better when compared to Zeller but zeller is a true rookie in his first year of professional basketball. defensively JV really has an edge on zeller on the isolation.
everywhere else they are about even defensively. although I am not sure if its because of the players respective defensive scheme or ability to block out
JV is defending the post 58% of his defensive plays whereas Zeller defends 25% of the time. Its an indicator that Zeller may be considerably better at keeping his guy out of the post or that could be a product of the teams defensive schemes.

Offensively Jonas gets more offensive rebound scoring opportunities and is better at converting when he does. He is also more effectve at the pick roll at this point. JV's real offensive edge is post up conversions. Zeller currently doesnt get many opportunities in this area accounting for only 4% of his shots but if he did a 37% fg percentage wouldnt be a stretch.

at the moment I am quite comfortable that we passed up on a player who didnt want to play here and has a long way to go to develop his defense

Which brings in Drummond.

Thompson is more effective at cutting to the basket. Drummond overall is the better finisher but Thompson gets far more post oppurtunities. (which really sucks because he gets blocked all the time.

Defensively Thompson is well ahead of drummond and he should be in all fairness. Should Thompson learn how to post up without getting blocked. Thompson has a much beter chance to be a complete player on both sides of the court.

[Joe Henderson]

Coach Dwane Casey said before the game that he toyed with the idea of changing is starting lineup — replacing Jonas Valanciunas with Amir Johnson — but didn’t make a move after closer review of Wednesday’s game in Sacramento.
“I hinted at possible lineup changes, but again I think that would send the wrong message,” he said. “We want to be patient with our young kid (Valanciunas) and sometimes it’s frustrating. Sometimes he’s frustrated a little bit but he’s growing. As many mistakes as he’s making, he’s also growing.”

http://www.thestar.com/sports/basket...by-jazz-131-99

[NarlCavs]

Have said from the start that both Jonas and Thompson are likely to be average players. I still take an average C over an average PF. One position (C) is difficult to fill while the other (PF) is the easiest position to fill in the NBA.
Jonas has played poorly lately. No denying that. For both these players it's about what they'll be like in 3-5 years not all about what they are now. You do just want to see some signs though from both. Jonas also is a rookie and a year younger than Thompson.

[Malt]

all is doom and gloom in raptor land. guess we'll be joining you guys in the lottery hunt

oh wait we gave away our pick for lowry, and we get to see fields absolutely suck when he comes back. D:





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