2012-2013 Indians Red Hot Offseason Thread (Bourn signed post 1940)

[Chris]

If you can get some quality SP from the D-backs, and you only had to give up Choo and not Cabrera, than this could be a great move for the tribe.

I agree with this which is why I added the qualifier about it maybe being a precursor to another move.

[Pyro]

If you can get some quality SP from the D-backs, and you only had to give up Choo and not Cabrera, than this could be a great move for the tribe.

It's almost like Danny Ferry is in the Indians FO right now, pulling this off.

[MoFlo]

You say this to get a rise out of me

Can say with a good amount of certainty that you're guilty of the same thing a few posts up.

What's the difference between just keeping him for this year (ie not getting fleeced) and getting Stubbs/Gregorius? Look at me and tell me you're happy with this trade and think it's a good one for the Indians. Be honest. If you guys really are, I won't say anything else.

I happen to think it's a good deal for a guy that we have a 0% chance of keeping beyond this season.

[BimboColesHair]

What's the difference between just keeping him for this year (ie not getting fleeced) and getting Stubbs/Gregorius? Look at me and tell me you're happy with this trade and think it's a good one for the Indians. Be honest. If you guys really are, I won't say anything else.

Can you just do that regardless?

[MirORich]

Are you serious?

The difference is a guaranteed one year only with one guy who is a borderline all star at best vs 5-6 years each of two guys who are considered prospects of the same level that Choo was when he was coming up through the Mariners system.

So 1 year of production vs. the potential for possibly 10-12 cumulative years.

What's the difference between just keeping him for this year (ie not getting fleeced) and getting Stubbs/Gregorius? Look at me and tell me you're happy with this trade and think it's a good one for the Indians. Be honest. If you guys really are, I won't say anything else.

[Tecumseh]

A few days ago, the Diamondbacks said they wanted a SS for more than 2 years. Didi makes more sense for them.
Indians grab Stubbs
flip Didi to Arizona for Bauer and Skaggs.
Sign Swisher

LF Stubbs
CF Brantley
RF Swisher
3B Chisenhall
SS Cabrera
2B Kipnis
1B Reynolds
DH Aviles
C Santana

Masterson
Skaggs
Ubaldo
Bauer
Carrasco

[Chris]

Are you serious?

The difference is a guaranteed one year only with one guy who is a borderline all star at best vs 5-6 years each of two guys who are considered prospects of the same level that Choo was when he was coming up through the Mariners system.

So 1 year of production vs. the potential for possibly 10-12 cumulative years.

I know the farm is bare, but we don't have anyone who can come up and strike out 200 times like Stubbs without making this deal? We don't have any mediocre SS prospect to throw in there without making this deal? Serious question here.

Can you just do that regardless?

It's a forum. Grow up and deal with it. Didn't mommy and daddy tell you not everyone will share your viewpoint in life?

Can say with a good amount of certainty that you're guilty of the same thing a few posts up.

Honestly, no. I don't think the Indians got better with the trade at all. Dead serious, not trying to troll.

I happen to think it's a good deal for a guy that we have a 0% chance of keeping beyond this season.

Agreed on 0% chance of keeping him. Fair enough.

[Pyro]

Where is J.M. Curry? Usually he posts this...

**BREAKING MLB NEWS**Source: Indians deal ready with Nick Swisher ONLY if Choo deal goes through.. Swish will be Ohio bound! #NotClutchSwish

— Incarcerated Bob (@incarceratedbob) December 11, 2012

[Chris]

Where is J.M. Curry? Usually he posts this...

**BREAKING MLB NEWS**Source: Indians deal ready with Nick Swisher ONLY if Choo deal goes through.. Swish will be Ohio bound! #NotClutchSwish

— Incarcerated Bob (@incarceratedbob) December 11, 2012

There's a move I can get behind. Swish is one of my faves.

[b00bie]

I know the farm is bare, but we don't have anyone who can come up and strike out 200 times like Stubbs without making this deal? We don't have any mediocre SS prospect to throw in there without making this deal? Serious question here.

It's a forum. Grow up and deal with it. Didn't mommy and daddy tell you not everyone will share your viewpoint in life?

Honestly, no. I don't think the Indians got better with the trade at all. Dead serious, not trying to troll.

Agreed on 0% chance of keeping him. Fair enough.

I have 100 percent confidence you didn't know who Didi Gregorious was when you woke up this morning.

Really not a mediocre prospect, just about anyone would consider him a pretty high caliber middle infield prospect.

[Chris]

I have 100 percent confidence you didn't know who Didi Gregorious was when you woke up this morning.

Really not a mediocre prospect, just about anyone would consider him a pretty high caliber middle infield prospect.

I'll concede that the only reason you're wrong about that is because 90% of my friends down here are Reds fans that never shut up about their team. Didn't you say he was a guy who hadn't learned how to hit yet? Exciting.

Was he widely considered to be one of the Reds' top 5 prospects, b00bie? Or better? If so, I'll agree with you.

[b00bie]

I'll concede that the only reason you're wrong about that is because 90% of my friends down here are Reds fans that never shut up about their team. Didn't you say he was a guy who hadn't learned how to hit yet? Exciting.

Was he widely considered to be one of the Reds' top 5 prospects, b00bie? Or better? If so, I'll agree with you.

Yes, generally he is.

Probably 3rd or 4th behind Billy Hamilton, Tony Cingrani and maybe Robert Stephenson.

For what it's worth, they're moving Hamilton to center field now mainly because of presence of Gregorious at short.

[BimboColesHair]

It's a forum. Grow up and deal with it. Didn't mommy and daddy tell you not everyone will share your viewpoint in life?

Yeah, they did. They also told me to back the shit up that I say. You come in to every section in the forum and pump the same shit out in every post. In here you admittedly said that you have no idea about prospects, yet you come in here spewing all this non-sense about a trade for prospects being a terrible trade. How can anyone take you seriously? There is a reason people call you out so much, especially in here, and its because your posts are terrible.

[Gunther]

Suddenly I want to keep Gregorius and trade Asdrubal.

[Tecumseh]

Suddenly I want to keep Gregorius and trade Asdrubal.

1) Arizona doesn't really want Asdrubal for only two years.
2) Lindor
3) Signing Reynolds and possibly Swisher, attempts at Victorino/Youkilis doesn't say trying to win in 5 years. It somewhat suggests win now. Asdrubal helps with that more than Gregorius