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    I think this would be better if Minnesota was included to receive Pau and they sent D-Will, a first round pick, and a bad contract to us.

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    You can't be serious. That's horrible. In no way is that in the path I want to see this team take. Just throwing away our cap space for nothing.

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    PJ3 and Lamb are in the D-League because OKC is a contender and they have no business getting minutes on a team like that. I think both are very talented and have the potential to be really, really good.
    If they were really talented they would be able to contribute to a championship level team off the bench over guys like Reggie Jackson and Deandre Liggins. There have been plenty of contender teams that have used talented rookies effectively off the bench in the past (hell just look at last year with Leonard and the Spurs). The fact that they aren't good enough now to contribute OKC should be a huge warning sign. This is especially true with Lamb, who slipped in the draft, was shipped out by the Rockets, and has now been relegated to the D-league. Those are three huge strikes, but keep drinking that kool-aid.

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    You can't be serious. That's horrible. In no way is that in the path I want to see this team take. Just throwing away our cap space for nothing.
    Cap space for what ?

    Irving isnt up for a big contract for 2 seasons. nor is waiters for 3.

    Gasol 19
    Josh Smith 15-19
    Irving 5
    Waiters 4
    Gee 3
    Zeller 1.6

    thats 52 mill committed for next year so they would still have another 20 million to play around with.

    Gasol would be off the books when Irving is ready to resign and Irving will be a seasoned leader.

    Smith would be a third scoring option and scott will have his scorer in the post while zeller develops

    also gasol would have value as an expiring

    perhaps the lakers throw in jordan hill or robert sacre to the mix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baseline Runner View Post
    If they were really talented they would be able to contribute to a championship level team off the bench over guys like Reggie Jackson and Deandre Liggins. There have been plenty of contender teams that have used talented rookies effectively off the bench in the past (hell just look at last year with Leonard and the Spurs). The fact that they aren't good enough now to contribute OKC should be a huge warning sign. This is especially true with Lamb, who slipped in the draft, was shipped out by the Rockets, and has now been relegated to the D-league. Those are three huge strikes, but keep drinking that kool-aid.
    yeah didnt we hear this about byron mullens?

    More established teams will start sending their rookies to the d league. the Cavs certainly would have loved to had the d league during the lebron era. they had to cut a bunch of guys because they couldnt get them any reasonable court time.

    bring the guys into training camp. let them play. start the season and let them watch. then send them off to the satellite team to get some game time.

    seems like a solid way to develop your team for the long run.

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    http://nba.si.com/2012/12/04/anderso...and-cavaliers/

    Seeing as many of the NBA’s rumor mongers will remain sold on Varejao’s imminent departure regardless of the case against trading him, it’s important that we at least frame a potential Varejao trade in the proper terms. Listed below are a handful of vaguely reasonable (and completely legal) trade ideas involving Varejao that would somewhat satisfy both teams involved:

    Anderson Varejao and Luke Walton to the 76ers for Thaddeus Young, Dorell Wright and Arnett Moultrie.

    Young — a skilled, 24-year-old big who would cushion the Cavs’ defensive drop after Varejao’s departure — is the big get here, but Wright would also allow Byron Scott to phase Alonzo Gee and C.J. Miles into more fitting roles. Moultrie is merely a wild-card addition for Cleveland’s trouble.

    Anderson Varejao to the Rockets for Chandler Parsons, Terrence Jones, Patrick Patterson and Daequan Cook.

    If the purpose of dealing Varejao is to get the rest of the core on a similar developmental timeline, then the Rockets may be the best trade partner available. Parsons, Jones and Patterson could help fill out the Cavs’ rotation with young talent, while Cook provides the salary filler necessary to match a handful of rookie-scale deals with Varejao’s larger contract.

    Anderson Varejao and Jon Leuer to the Jazz for Paul Millsap, Enes Kanter, Alec Burks and Jamaal Tinsley.

    Millsap — who will be an unrestricted free agent next summer — is a bit of a risk, but Burks and Kanter give the Cavs two solid prospects to work with, and Tinsley gives Cleveland an alternative to Jeremy Pargo and Donald Sloan in the short term.

    Anderson Varejao to the Thunder for Kendrick Perkins, Jeremy Lamb, Reggie Jackson, Perry Jones III and picks.

    The Thunder are among the teams most often linked to Varejao in potential trade scenarios, but this underwhelming package is likely the best they could cobble together. Jones could wind up as a great get, but Perkins is dead salary weight and Lamb is a bit redundant with Cleveland’s already existing core. It could be worse, but I don’t suspect the Cavs would find this deal to be all that compelling.

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    I like all those offers except the Philadelphia one. OKC and Utah intrigue me the most
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    Looking at that 2nd trade those numbers are just disgustin. Lakers -42 mil in cap? Cavs +10mil. How do you beat a team with 50 more million in players.
    That trade is intriguing though.

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    I hate the trade machine for this reason, lol

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    Default Re: Anderson Varejao Trade Ideas

    It's baffling to me how high some people in this thread are on PJ3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tornicade View Post
    Cap space for what ?

    Irving isnt up for a big contract for 2 seasons. nor is waiters for 3.

    Gasol 19
    Josh Smith 15-19
    Irving 5
    Waiters 4
    Gee 3
    Zeller 1.6

    thats 52 mill committed for next year so they would still have another 20 million to play around with.

    Gasol would be off the books when Irving is ready to resign and Irving will be a seasoned leader.

    Smith would be a third scoring option and scott will have his scorer in the post while zeller develops

    also gasol would have value as an expiring

    perhaps the lakers throw in jordan hill or robert sacre to the mix.
    First off, you aren't really leaving them 20 million to play with. You are kinda side stepping the fact that you just spent 52 million on only SIX players. That still leaves NINE more to sign and pay. You basically wiped out all the cap flexibility that we have. Cap flexibility has value. You just don't throw that away.

    I think I should point out that you want to spend NINETEEN million dollars on a 32 year old player that shows signs of already being in decline. Major signs. To put this in perspective, if Gasol was a free agent, how many people here do you think would consider it was a good idea to offer him 19 million a year to sign him? He's not worth any where near that. So, why the hell should we actually offer talent in exchange for him?

    You need to ask yourself an important question every time you consider a move. Does it help us get to the championship? How does Gasol do that? You mention that he'll have value as an expiring. But, we have already seen how difficult it is to match salary with max level expirings. Gasol clearly won't be here when we should be in our period of contention. He is basically worthless to us. In fact, he is a negative value.

    I would rather keep Andy then get Gasol in exchange.

    Then, you also want to invest max salary space on Josh Smith. Frankly, if someone was going to be foolish enough to do that, all they have to do is wait until he hits free agency at the end of the year. I am sure no one else would be looking to waste 15-19 millions on him.

    You need to stay away from that Trade machine. You really do.

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    The ONLY way the Cavs and P. Gasol would be linked is in a three-team trade with Gasol going to the 3rd team.

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    Default Re: Anderson Varejao Trade Ideas

    Minnesota and Utah both have logjams at SF/PF, which happens to be a huge area of need for us. Some of these proposed deals are interesting if nothing else. We have some chips to play with even outside of Varejao should the FO decide to just keep him here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlegg21 View Post
    Minnesota and Utah both have logjams at SF/PF, which happens to be a huge area of need for us. Some of these proposed deals are interesting if nothing else. We have some chips to play with even outside of Varejao should the FO decide to just keep him here.
    Pekovic is Minny's C now and of the future so I can't see them going after AV. Utah has been playing Kanter & Favors together in the frontcourt whenever Jefferson is out, so it seems like they're set at C as well.

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