The Andre Drummond Thread

[adam81king]

Well we did pass on Lillard because of Kyrie and how those two couldn't exist in a backcourt together, and I don't see people getting all upset over that. How is it so different than how TT and Drummond would be hard to fit in a front court together due to a lack of spacing because neither player can shoot?

Regardless, even if Drummond turns out to be great, it looks like this next draft could redeem things due to the center-heavy nature of it. Alex Len is my main target at least at the center position. He would fit infinitely better with us than Drummond, and he's both a good offensive and defensive player. As things look right now, we'll be able to take pretty much whoever we want.

Alex is actually even longer than Drummond, standing at 7'1" with a 7'5" wingspan. He can run the floor very well and has surprising hops for a guy of his size. He has some post moves, he can shoot, and he can rebound well. He also plays defense and blocks shots very well. If all this translates at the next level, then we'll have ourselves a potential all-star on our hands.

If Alex Len ends up being as good as Drummond, but a better fit, that's a huge win, IMO, because there are also very few shooting guards at the top of the 2013 draft that are looking as promising as Dion at the moment. Thus, it could end up that a Dion/Len combination could end up better than a combination of Drummond and any other guard we could have taken in the 2013 draft.

And if we don't like Len, we have plenty of other centers from which to choose. The point stays the same that we could end up with a better combo by drafting Dion first and a center in the 2013 draft than if we had drafted Drummond first and a SG in the 2013 draft.

Don't forget that we also have Tyler Zeller, who is also showing some promise considering how late we drafted him.

The very HUGE difference between not taking Lillard because of Kyrie Irving and not taking Drummond because of Tristan Thompson is that Kyrie was coming off a ROY season and was being ranked as a top 20 player IN THE LEAGUE. Tristan isn't at top 20 guy AT HIS POSITION. Another difference is Kyrie and Lillard are both point guards, playing the same position. Tristan is a power forward, but Drummond is a center, playing different positions. Unless a player is an All-Star, you don't skip a potentially great player because of someone you already have. Even IF it's a question, this team is so void of talent that they should continue to take the best players possible; regardless of position.

I like Alex Len a lot, too. He's my number one player (including Cody Zeller, Nerlens Noel and Shabazz Muhammed). Thing is, he might not be available when the Cavaliers pick, but Andre Drummond absolutely was. Regardless, you said there aren't many SGs that look to be as good as Dion. I give you a 6'6" guy that was ranked #2 in his class, has been said to have a work ethic on par with Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, super athleticism, tenacity, passion and great scoring instincts. His name is Shabazz Muhammed. There's another guy (my favorite SG prospect) that's 6'5", has superb athleticism, can shoot the rock from anywhere on the floor, and has been compared to a young Ray Allen. His name is Ben McLemore. There's also Archie Goodwin, CJ Wilcox and Michael Carter-Williams. That's 5 guys that can go in the Lottery (in a center-heavy draft).

[Tank God]

The very HUGE difference between not taking Lillard because of Kyrie Irving and not taking Drummond because of Tristan Thompson is that Kyrie was coming off a ROY season and was being ranked as a top 20 player IN THE LEAGUE. Tristan isn't at top 20 guy AT HIS POSITION. Another difference is Kyrie and Lillard are both point guards, playing the same position. Tristan is a power forward, but Drummond is a center, playing different positions. Unless a player is an All-Star, you don't skip a potentially great player because of someone you already have. Even IF it's a question, this team is so void of talent that they should continue to take the best players possible; regardless of position.

I like Alex Len a lot, too. He's my number one player (including Cody Zeller, Nerlens Noel and Shabazz Muhammed). Thing is, he might not be available when the Cavaliers pick, but Andre Drummond absolutely was. Regardless, you said there aren't many SGs that look to be as good as Dion. I give you a 6'6" guy that was ranked #2 in his class, has been said to have a work ethic on par with Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, super athleticism, tenacity, passion and great scoring instincts. His name is Shabazz Muhammed. There's another guy (my favorite SG prospect) that's 6'5", has superb athleticism, can shoot the rock from anywhere on the floor, and has been compared to a young Ray Allen. His name is Ben McLemore. There's also Archie Goodwin, CJ Wilcox and Michael Carter-Williams. That's 5 guys that can go in the Lottery (in a center-heavy draft).

The only guy that, IMO, will hold a candle to Dion will be Shabazz, but he's actually playing forward right now and, with his 7' wingspan and 8'8" standing reach, he might end up playing the 3 in the NBA, so technically he isn't even a shooting guard right now, and he may not be one in the NBA either. The rest of the guys won't hold up to Dion, IMO. Ray Allen gets a lot of comparisons to him. Hell, look at Bradley Beal. People were screaming Ray Allen when they saw him, yet he's not performing as well as Dion thus far. Again, there are very few shooting guards (if any) at the top of the 2013 draft that look as promising as Dion.

But yeah, I highly value Len much more so than Cody Zeller. Len is a much, much bigger and longer player than Zeller, and he's much better defensively as well and I believe a better rebounder, too (too lazy to look up stats). I don't like Nerlens very much either because he looks like a guy who is 80-90% the defensive player that Anthony Davis was, but about 40% the offensive player Anthony Davis was. Looking at him in those regards is rather depressing. I like Len a lot more because his defense is almost on par with Nerlens' defense, and he has infinitely more talent on the offensive side. He also has a much larger frame than Noel, making him a better potential post defender.

[Tornicade]

The very HUGE difference between not taking Lillard because of Kyrie Irving and not taking Drummond because of Tristan Thompson is that Kyrie was coming off a ROY season and was being ranked as a top 20 player IN THE LEAGUE. Tristan isn't at top 20 guy AT HIS POSITION. Another difference is Kyrie and Lillard are both point guards, playing the same position. Tristan is a power forward, but Drummond is a center, playing different positions. Unless a player is an All-Star, you don't skip a potentially great player because of someone you already have. Even IF it's a question, this team is so void of talent that they should continue to take the best players possible; regardless of position.

I like Alex Len a lot, too. He's my number one player (including Cody Zeller, Nerlens Noel and Shabazz Muhammed). Thing is, he might not be available when the Cavaliers pick, but Andre Drummond absolutely was. Regardless, you said there aren't many SGs that look to be as good as Dion. I give you a 6'6" guy that was ranked #2 in his class, has been said to have a work ethic on par with Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, super athleticism, tenacity, passion and great scoring instincts. His name is Shabazz Muhammed. There's another guy (my favorite SG prospect) that's 6'5", has superb athleticism, can shoot the rock from anywhere on the floor, and has been compared to a young Ray Allen. His name is Ben McLemore. There's also Archie Goodwin, CJ Wilcox and Michael Carter-Williams. That's 5 guys that can go in the Lottery (in a center-heavy draft).

When most of your minutes are with cory magette and Charlie Villaneuva you can afford to sit under the rim and collect rebounds. noones ever questions drummonds athleticism.

Split	Value	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	eFG%	Ast'd	%Ast'd
Shot Distance	At Rim	67	100	.670	0	0		.670	37	.552
	3 to 9 ft	6	18	.333	0	0		.333	3	.500
	10 to 15 ft	0	4	.000	0	0		.000	0
	16 ft to 3-pt	0	2	.000	0	0		.000	0
	3-pt	1	2	.500	1	2	.500	.750	0	.000

Can he play at the high post where the Cavs would need him ? big question mark there

Can he spread the floor ?

Shot Type	Dunk	31	34	.912	0	0		.912	18	.581
	Hook Shot	0	3	.000	0	0		.000	0
	Jump Shot	5	20	.250	1	2	.500	.275	3	.600
	Lay-Up	31	57	.544	0	0		.544	19	.613
	Tip Shot	7	12	.583	0	0		.583	0	.000

Drummond's effectiveness would drop significantly with more minutes playing someone else for the most part besides opponents back ups.

He still hasnt shown any defense except to block shots that occur when he is trying to recover from being out of position frequently and he demonstrated the same attributes in college.

Ultimately he hasnt shown himself for anything but the one dimensional freak he is and is definately not proven the cavs made a bad draft choice along with the other 8 teams that chose not to draft him after Anthony Davis.

people always overrate basketball eye candy. I wouldnt be surprised if Drummond doesnt become the poster boy for this phenomenon

[JiggleIt]

I really don't want the Cavs taking an American born white guy at a big position. They have enough white guys right now.

[Jon]

Drummond isn't getting more minutes because the Pistons want to bring him along slowly. It's just the way they've decided to handle him.

[adam81king]

I really don't want the Cavs taking an American born white guy at a big position. They have enough white guys right now.

Last I checked, there isn't an American born white guy playing PF or C that would be available when the Cavaliers draft (other than Cody Zeller or Mason Plumlee). The guy that has the most support on here, as far as I can tell, is Ukrainian (Alex Len). My other man-crush of a college center is from New Zealand (Steven Adams). So, I'm pretty sure you'll be ok.

Other than Tyler Zeller and Jon Leuer (in the D-League, currently), what American-born white guys do the Cavaliers have? Or are you just biased against them and think two is too many?

[JiggleIt]

Last I checked, there isn't an American born white guy playing PF or C that would be available when the Cavaliers draft (other than Cody Zeller or Mason Plumlee). The guy that has the most support on here, as far as I can tell, is Ukrainian (Alex Len). My other man-crush of a college center is from New Zealand (Steven Adams). So, I'm pretty sure you'll be ok.

Other than Tyler Zeller and Jon Leuer (in the D-League, currently), what American-born white guys do the Cavaliers have? Or are you just biased against them and think two is too many?

White people do not belong on the basketball court unless they are coaching, playing PG or their feet are resting somewhere between the bench and the out of bounds lines for at least 46 minutes per game.


-Deezy-

[Dave K]

man, deezy sure has gotten racist lately. I've already started thinking less of him.

[Bill Walton.]

White people do not belong on the basketball court unless they are coaching, playing PG or their feet are resting somewhere between the bench and the out of bounds lines for at least 46 minutes per game.


-Deezy-

I'd rather draft Brittney Griner than a white guy

Only one could end up being a black dude...























and it's not the white guy..












































it's Brittney.

[KB]

Last I checked, there isn't an American born white guy playing PF or C that would be available when the Cavaliers draft (other than Cody Zeller or Mason Plumlee). The guy that has the most support on here, as far as I can tell, is Ukrainian (Alex Len). My other man-crush of a college center is from New Zealand (Steven Adams). So, I'm pretty sure you'll be ok.

Other than Tyler Zeller and Jon Leuer (in the D-League, currently), what American-born white guys do the Cavaliers have? Or are you just biased against them and think two is too many?

I like Adams upside but he is not playing that well at all last time I checked so I figure Adams will end up staying another year.

[adam81king]

White people do not belong on the basketball court unless they are coaching, playing PG or their feet are resting somewhere between the bench and the out of bounds lines for at least 46 minutes per game.


-Deezy-

I assume this racist comment is directed at American-born white guys (cause there are more than a few foreign white guys that are All-Stars, Hall of Famers, etc from TODAYS game). However, there are a few that you're overlooking:
pg-Kirk Hinrich, Steve Blake, Luke Ridnour, Jimmer Fredette
sg-Gordon Hayward, JJ Redick, Mike Dunleavy
sf-Chandler Parsons, Kyle Singler, Steve Novak
pf-Kevin Love, Ryan Anderson, BJ Mullens
c-David Lee, Nick Collison, Spencer Hawes, Tyler Zeller, Meyers Leonard
(and I won't even count the "white-skinned-mixed-guys" like Blake Griffin, Klay Thompson, Kris Humphries, Jason Kidd, etc)

Those guys would form a pretty good team.

[Dave K]

I assume this racist comment is directed at American-born white guys (cause there are more than a few foreign white guys that are All-Stars, Hall of Famers, etc from TODAYS game). However, there are a few that you're overlooking:
pg-Kirk Hinrich, Steve Blake, Luke Ridnour, Jimmer Fredette
sg-Gordon Hayward, JJ Redick, Mike Dunleavy
sf-Chandler Parsons, Kyle Singler, Steve Novak
pf-Kevin Love, Ryan Anderson, BJ Mullens
c-David Lee, Nick Collison, Spencer Hawes, Tyler Zeller, Meyers Leonard
(and I won't even count the "white-skinned-mixed-guys" like Blake Griffin, Klay Thompson, Kris Humphries, Jason Kidd, etc)

Those guys would form a pretty good team.

As long as its not a dance team

[Bill Walton.]

I assume this racist comment is directed at American-born white guys (cause there are more than a few foreign white guys that are All-Stars, Hall of Famers, etc from TODAYS game). However, there are a few that you're overlooking:
pg-Kirk Hinrich, Steve Blake, Luke Ridnour, Jimmer Fredette
sg-Gordon Hayward, JJ Redick, Mike Dunleavy
sf-Chandler Parsons, Kyle Singler, Steve Novak
pf-Kevin Love, Ryan Anderson, BJ Mullens
c-David Lee, Nick Collison, Spencer Hawes, Tyler Zeller, Meyers Leonard
(and I won't even count the "white-skinned-mixed-guys" like Blake Griffin, Klay Thompson, Kris Humphries, Jason Kidd, etc)

Those guys would form a pretty good team.

this is cute.... and that team would suck are you kidding?

That is an entire list of mediocre bench players withe the exception of Love and I'll even throw Anderson in there just to be nice.

White people shouldn't be allowed to play basketball anymore

[Dave K]

but kyle korver..

[blue_kahuna]

You tell me to keep Dion out of this thread, but then you ask me to answer a question about Dion?

No one said that Dion is a bust after 17 games, but, by saying that Drummond was a huge miss or that we missed out on Drummond, one has to assume that, by default, these people are saying that Dion has to be considered not as good for us in the long run as Drummond. That is why I am showing the other side of the argument. I am not saying that Drummond won't become something better than Dion, but I'm just showing that Dion has been promising for us as well, so it's hard to say that it's a huge miss as of yet.

You wouldn't say, "Man, we really missed out on Chris Bosh" when we drafted LeBron James during the 2003 draft because we didn't miss out on anything compared to what we drafted. Saying that we are missing out on Drummond is like saying that we should have drafted him over Dion. Should we have done so? Perhaps, but it's far too early to tell especially since neither one is a clear frontrunner over the other. On top of that, we have yet to see who we will draft this upcoming draft. There are lots of centers from which to choose, many of which are a much better fit than Drummond.

But anywho.

Your bff Tornicade made that statement trying to play if as though that's the sentiment of anyone who thinks Drummond should've been our pick.

Since you think there are "LOTS" of centers that are a better fit, please go on the record and list them. And please explain this "better fit" BS.