The Andre Drummond Thread

[Jack Brickman]

De-fault, the two sweetest words in the english language.

Glad you looked that up for me. That's what I was referencing.

[wuck]

Bummer we won't get to see more of Drummond for awhile. Like Scholar, I suspect they won't hesitate to shut him down this year. No need to rush him back. He's had a fantastic start to his career, though. Hopefully this doesn't linger.

Considering that the Cavs are considering picking up Oden and considering Varejao's annual woes, I think we should send good karma toward all bigs in the NBA. Clearly, it's needed by all teams including the Cavs these days.

[Just Checkin]

Didn't Evan Turner have a similar injury back in OSU?

[Tornicade]

You're a poster that likes to appear like he knows what he's talking about but most of the time you're talking out of your ass. Need I remind you that you tried to pass off Brandon Knight as this young point guard with worldly passing skills because you claimed he averaged 7.9 assists per game (which was wrong because 7.9 was his assist average per 36). I'll let you figure out what his assist average per game is now since you like to manipulate numbers for your own benefit until someone calls you out on it.

The other thing is you claim that I was a Waiters hater and that I always go into the game thread trashing his game. Which I never did and called you out on it and you have failed to acknowledge that that was false or offer any kind of apology. Just because I like Drummond and felt that he should have been the #4 pick doesn't mean I don't like Waiters. Not sure if you can get that through your thick skull.

Lastly, when have I ever say that Drummond is the next coming of Dwight Howard. Or even a guarantee future 1st team player or even an all-star? Your claims and lies are absurd. That's why people see you as a punching bag on this forum. You lie and make unsubstantiated claims to make yourself look good and when someone calls you out on your BS, you do the usual thing and go into hiding until the dust settles and reappear to start your BS up again. Just like what your doing now son.

first of all, I am rather consistent in my views and typically have an array of information that supports my views. People can disagree with with my information, refute it with their own information or present a different opinion. Thats what the boards are for . what you percieve as being a "punching bag" are typically rational discussions with different points of view. the kind of things that typically are encouraged in forums. you on the other hand have tried to use me as a punching bag literally several times and always they resutlts both iof us getting moderated for inappropiate lines of discussion.

now take Brevin Knight for example. You wanted to use Brevin Knights as an excuse for lackluster performances by Drummond. I pointed out that in the preseason he was working on distributing the ball. This statement was supported not only by his stats but also by Knight himself and his play on the court. Of course once the season started Frank had him play more aggressive on the offensive end because Detroit needs that. at the same time Knights assist rate and assist percentage have both increased. as far as your per 36 fit. it really didnt change anything. his numbers were up no matter if you went by per 36, per 48 or by the minute. I even took the time to correct my post and even with the correction the statement was still valid.

some people when they run out of supported arguments like to attack the poster to prove their point.

its amazing to me that people can spend an entire season bashing Thompson for not having a jump shot but then drool over this guy

Shot Distance	At Rim	150	223	.673	0	0		.673	89	.593
	3 to <10 ft	10	37	.270	0	0		.270	5	.500
	10 to <16 ft	0	6	.000	0	0		.000	0
	16 ft to <3-pt	0	4	.000	0	0		.000	0
	3-pt	1	2	.500	1	2	.500	.750	0	.000

Split	Value	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	eFG%	Ast'd	%Ast'd
Shot Type	Dunk	85	94	.904	0	0		.904	60	.706
	Hook Shot	1	9	.111	0	0		.111	0	.000
	Jump Shot	8	37	.216	1	2	.500	.230	5	.625
	Lay-Up	51	104	.490	0	0		.490	29	.569
	Tip Shot	16	28	.571	0	0		.571	0	.000

If you want a highlight real guy who can shoot well solely on put backs and cuts then Drummond is your guy.

Once again If Drummond is properly blocked out which is difficult for the typical back up to do with an athlete of this type he is basically rendered ineffective.. This will make itself really evident if the Detroit ever gets to the playoffs. although Drummond will still have value as a rebound and putback guy offensively and of course his cutting ability will take a guy out of the paint.

now back to the Draft.. your going to take Andre Drummond over Anthony Davis? no didnt think so. Michael Kidd Gilchrist? Bradley Beal? Dion Waiters? Damien Llliard?

Thomas Robinson , Harrison Barnes, Terrence Ross are all debatable but none of those were Cavs picks.

[Randolphkeys]

Bummer we won't get to see more of Drummond for awhile. Like Scholar, I suspect they won't hesitate to shut him down this year. No need to rush him back. He's had a fantastic start to his career, though. Hopefully this doesn't linger.

Considering that the Cavs are considering picking up Oden and considering Varejao's annual woes, I think we should send good karma toward all bigs in the NBA. Clearly, it's needed by all teams including the Cavs these days.

That is my guess as well. Their first rounder is owed to Charlotte but top 14 protected, next year it goes down to top 6 protected. Arguably, it might be in their best interests not to try too hard this season.

[oasis05]

Drummond is pretty awful offensively. but, you can't argue with his offensive rebounding. At some point he's going to average 5 offensive rebounds. He has some time to develope his post work, he's barely privileged to watch porn, and smoke cigarettes, can't even drink beer. He's probably going to be over 300 lbs. in his prime, and as shaq showed, you can live off the dunk in the nba when you are the biggest man on the floor.

[Jack Brickman]

Drummond is pretty awful offensively. but, you can't argue with his offensive rebounding. At some point he's going to average 5 offensive rebounds. He has some time to develope his post work, he's barely privileged to watch porn, and smoke cigarettes, can't even drink beer. He's probably going to be over 300 lbs. in his prime, and as shaq showed, you can live off the dunk in the nba when you are the biggest man on the floor.

Shaq was a LOT bigger than Drummond. Drummond will never be anywhere near as big as Shaq.

[oasis05]

Shaq rookie season http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=91tnm0Y02YY

Drummond may drop some weight, but he has the frame to put on pounds. In pre draft measurements shaq weighed in at 300 lbs, Drummond was 280. Shaq was a few inches taller.

[D-Wreck]

Wait a second...

now take Brevin Knight for example. You wanted to use Brevin Knights as an excuse for lackluster performances by Drummond. I pointed out that in the preseason he was working on distributing the ball. This statement was supported not only by his stats but also by Knight himself and his play on the court. Of course once the season started Frank had him play more aggressive on the offensive end because Detroit needs that. at the same time Knights assist rate and assist percentage have both increased. as far as your per 36 fit. it really didnt change anything. his numbers were up no matter if you went by per 36, per 48 or by the minute. I even took the time to correct my post and even with the correction the statement was still valid.

[CPK]

Drummond is pretty awful offensively. but, you can't argue with his offensive rebounding. At some point he's going to average 5 offensive rebounds. He has some time to develope his post work, he's barely privileged to watch porn, and smoke cigarettes, can't even drink beer. He's probably going to be over 300 lbs. in his prime, and as shaq showed, you can live off the dunk in the nba when you are the biggest man on the floor.

Who the hell said you had to be of age to do any of those things? Especially the porn; Skinemax come on son.

[Jack Brickman]

Who the hell said you had to be of age to do any of those things? Especially the porn; Skinemax come on son.

Or, you know, the entire fucking internet.

[CPK]

Or, you know, the entire fucking internet.

Listen man, I'm getting old, we were limited in my day.

[Jack Brickman]

Listen man, I'm getting old, we were limited in my day.

Haha but we're talking about Drummond!

[Tornicade]

Wait a second...

come on you gotta just let that one slip on by

[Tornicade]

Drummond is pretty awful offensively. but, you can't argue with his offensive rebounding. At some point he's going to average 5 offensive rebounds. He has some time to develope his post work, he's barely privileged to watch porn, and smoke cigarettes, can't even drink beer. He's probably going to be over 300 lbs. in his prime, and as shaq showed, you can live off the dunk in the nba when you are the biggest man on the floor.

Shot Distance	At Rim	603	768	.785	0	0		.785	406	.673
	3 to <10 ft	334	798	.419	0	0		.419	212	.635
	10 to <16 ft	65	191	.340	0	0		.340	29	.446
	16 ft to <3-pt	2	7	.286	0	0		.286	0	.000
	3-pt	0	2	.000	0	2	.000	.000	0

Split	Value	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	eFG%	Ast'd	%Ast'd
Shot Type	Dunk	287	300	.957	0	0		.957	180	.627
	Hook Shot	131	256	.512	0	0		.512	82	.626
	Jump Shot	196	645	.304	0	2	.000	.304	123	.628
	Lay-Up	217	342	.635	0	0		.635	154	.710
	Tip Shot	4	14	.286	0	0		.286	0	.000

Now these numbers were compiled as an 8 year vet but shaq got around the paint.

he was also largely responsible for turning around Orlando from a 21 win team to a 40 win team in his rookie season.