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    Quote Originally Posted by The Optomist View Post
    No, Lucas needs to stay on as a consultant. He created the universe. No reason to let some jackass fuck it up. As long as he's not directing we're good.
    Lucas already fucked it up royally with the prequel trilogy. I literally do not see any way that any random person they bring in could do any worse than episodes one through three.

    I know he's not interested, but I'd love to see Joss Whedon take on Star Wars. He already proved he could make a sci-fi movie a million times better than anything Lucas has done since the eighties when he made Serenity.

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    Star Wars really is more fantasy, but I digress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Star Wars really is more fantasy, but I digress.
    Well, I mean, Serenity wasn't exactly hard sci-fi either. It was, however, similar in tone to the original Star Wars trilogy and ridiculously better than the prequel trilogy.

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    Call me crazy but I loved ROTS. Sure it had terrible acting and dialogue a lot of the time but it was still pretty good for a Star Wars film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Call me crazy but I loved ROTS. Sure it had terrible acting and dialogue a lot of the time but it was still pretty good for a Star Wars film.
    Respectfully disagree. I thought it was as terrible as the other two.

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    Call me crazy but I loved ROTS. Sure it had terrible acting and dialogue a lot of the time but it was still pretty good for a Star Wars film.


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    Respectfully disagree. I thought it was as terrible as the other two.
    Meh, oh well.

    Not like the originals didn't have just as much shit you could pick apart and dissect. People are just much more jaded these days I imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Meh, oh well.

    Not like the originals didn't have just as much shit you could pick apart and dissect. People are just much more jaded these days I imagine.
    I like to describe it as episode 1 was a bad sci-fi movie. Episode 2 was an average, forgettable sci-fi movie. Episode 3 was a good sci-fi movie. Changing some of the dialogue/acting would have gone a long way towards making it a "great" film in my mind. Turning out a bad, an average, and a "good" film using the star wars universe is a pretty pitiful showing though, hence all the anger.

    For the record, none of them are anywhere near the pure legendary status of the originals (especially 4 &5), but i do agree that 3 gets harshed on a little more than it may deserve because it came after such huge disappointments.

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    Don't get me wrong, I love the originals, but I just don't see what they do so much better than Episode 3. With a little bit better acting in key roles (Vader himself is the glaring flaw, really), which could also be helped by a bit of a better script ("You're breaking my heart!" Portman is a good actress, but nobody could do anything with that dredge of a line) I see no reason why ROTS shouldn't be up there with the originals. Those movies had some retarded lines in them too, and Return of the Jedi had an entire segment (Ewoks!) that made me want to stab somebody. If anything, ROTS makes up for a few of its shortcomings with some memorable scenes, visually and emotionally, that blow most of the imagery in the originals out of the water. Namely, Anakin's immolation on Mustafar, the Order 66 scene, and maybe a few others. Granted, some of these scenes are nearly ruined by ATROCIOUS dialogue/scripting ... I mean, the banter between Anakin and Obi Wan before their epic duel would have been so much cooler with a better actor playing Vader (not going to hate on him too much since I know he can act, I just dont like him in this role at all) and with better lines. Also: Vader suiting scene, fucking awesome....why ruin it with, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" ?

    I'm not a big enough Star Wars fan to really go too deeply into it, but I am definitely a casual fan who enjoys the universe and it always bothers me a bit when this debate comes up.
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    My problem with the prequels was not that they were bad in the film-making sense. I mean that sucks, and I use that reason to convince non-SW fans they suck, but these movies also were just terrible fucking star wars stories. They shit on so much that made Star Wars great... The force was reduced to a midi-chlorian count, Jedi went from wise monks to boring ninjas, and Darth Vader was made into Space Jesus.

    The guy that makes those reviews I posted touches on both these things... I mean remember that scene in ANH where Obi-Wan found a pilot's helmet and puts it on Luke to train? It seemed like an exercise improvised from what was available on the Millennium Falcon. Yet in new mythos apparently Jedi have used the same technique with the same goddamn pilot's helmet (this time CHILD SIZE) to train kids for thousands of years. Bobba Fett's papa was the source material for the clone armies... What?... Raped my childhood....

    The original trilogy had developed characters we were made to care about and decipherable plotlines...

    And fucking Jar-Jar Binks...
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    My problem with the prequels was not that they were bad in the film-making sense. I mean that sucks, and I use that reason to convince non-SW fans they suck, but these movies also were just terrible fucking star wars stories. They shit on so much that made Star Wars great... The force was reduced to a midi-chlorian count, Jedi went from wise monks to boring ninjas, and Darth Vader was made into Space Jesus.

    The guy that makes those reviews I posted touches on both these things... I mean remember that scene in ANH where Obi-Wan found a pilot's helmet and puts it on Luke to train? It seemed like an exercise improvised from what was available on the Millennium Falcon. Yet in new mythos apparently Jedi have used the same technique with the same goddamn pilot's helmet (this time CHILD SIZE) to train kids for thousands of years. Bobba Fett's papa was the source material for the clone armies... What?... Raped my childhood....

    The original trilogy had developed characters we were made to care about and decipherable plotlines...
    Meh.

    This is where I bow out because I don't care about any of that shit. I'm just not a big enough fan of the universe to get all of those little things.

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    They're not little things unless you're sleeping while you watch these movies. The appeal of star wars is more than just special effects, lightsabers and fleet battles. It's the atmosphere, the environment, the emotional core and solid film-making which fueled the imaginations of so many people walking out of the theatre.

    You have bad films that mangle the source material, especially Lucas' previous work in the original trilogy. What's not to hate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theophylaktikos View Post
    They're not little things unless you're sleeping while you watch these movies. The appeal of star wars is more than just special effects, lightsabers and fleet battles. It's the atmosphere, the environment, the emotional core and solid film-making which fueled the imaginations of so many people walking out of the theatre.

    You have bad films that mangle the source material, especially Lucas' previous work in the original trilogy. What's not to hate?
    I respectfully disagree.

    I don't feel the same way as you, I'm sorry. I'm not saying the first two prequels aren't atrocious. They really were. But I enjoyed Ep 3 almost as much as I enjoy the originals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theophylaktikos View Post
    They're not little things unless you're sleeping while you watch these movies. The appeal of star wars is more than just special effects, lightsabers and fleet battles. It's the atmosphere, the environment, the emotional core and solid film-making which fueled the imaginations of so many people walking out of the theatre.

    You have bad films that mangle the source material, especially Lucas' previous work in the original trilogy. What's not to hate?
    This is pretty much how I feel. The prequel trilogy has no heart. It's a bunch of soulless CGI designed to sell toys.

    The original Star Wars was one of the originators of the "used future" idea. Things were dirty and felt like people lived there. The prequel trilogy has that fake, anesthetic look where everything looks like it was designed solely for the movie. Nothing feels real or lived in. The staggering amount of CGI also takes away from the trilogy as a whole. CGI should be used to enhance a scene or to show something that can't be done easily with regular special effects. It shouldn't be used to create basic fucking sets, and the fact that Lucas used it so damn much really hurt the prequels in my mind because that's what gave them that anesthetic feel.

    I really don't see what the third movie did differently from the first two aside from being rated PG-13 for some reason. All of the fights were stupid and ridiculous. Does anyone remember the fight between Obi-Wan and Vader in A New Hope? The fight itself was awful, but we cared about it because both characters were well-written and well-acted. I can't bring myself to care about any of the fights in the new movie because they are all over-choreographed to death and feature characters with almost no development, poor acting, and worse writing.

    The lightsaber fights in the original trilogy were great in part because of their simplicity. We were focused on the characters and their conflicts rather than the ridiculous choreography. When it comes to fighting, simple is almost always better than needlessly complex. This is the same thing that made the fights in the original The Matrix so much better than the ones in the two sequels.

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    I did love the lightsaber battle in Episode 1. Everything else in the prequels fucking sucked though.

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