Does Utah hold the key to Cleveland's future?

[Tank God]

Or you could compare the players by position and say that there is no way in hell TT is more valuable than Favors. Favors is gonna be a beast in this league, he just doesn't get a lot of run with Utah, or at least not nearly as much as TT gets here. He would be a huge piece on this team. Kanter gets even less time. And that SAC pick seems like it may never come about.

Fact is, in the real world, the Cavs will probably never get equal value for Andy. But, a trade like that is all about projecting young talent. Favors has a legit shot at becoming an all-star. Not sure anyone would say that about TT. I highly doubt TT has a whole lot of value around the NBA right now.

No way in the world UTA even considers this trade without the SAC pick...and they probably hang up within the first 2 minutes with it, anyways.

I don't believe I compared TT to Favors. Could you please correct me and point out where I did? Thanks. Also, the Kings will have to set a record in most years in a row without making it out of the bottom 10 in the league by a few years in order for us to not see that pick.

- Varejao isn't a top 5 defender in the league
- Favors is arguably the most valuable young big in the league who has yet to "break out" (so excluding love, etc)
- Thompson is not worth more than Kanter in ANY universe
- Jazz are rebuilding, thus making Varejao absolutely useless

If Grant called KOC and proposed that trade, he would get laughed off the phone and the league would think he's a clown. And rightfully so.

Varejao is always in the near top of the league in DPOY voting, and in recent years, he has gotten neglect due to our record, but that hasn't changed the fact that he is still a top 5 defensive player. He's also the best help defender in the league. He's one of the top big men in steals, and his defense causes tons of turnovers. I'd certainly consider him a top 5 defensive player. Please show me why he isn't because I don't see it.

Drummond is a more valuable big man who has yet to break out than Favors. Drummond's PER is already beating Favors' PER, and he's about 3 years younger. Drummond's potential is also much higher. For that matter, Faried could be put on that list above Favors as well.

Also, good argument about Kanter being more valuable than Thompson. Oh wait. At least give me something to discuss other than a "no he isn't" type statement. That really doesn't support any type of argument, nor does it really progress any discussion of value. Telling me "WHY is Kanter more valuable than TT" would be a good start.

And I'd hardly call the Jazz rebuilding. They are in the hunt for the playoffs and are going to be a late lottery team at worst. Right now, they're a treadmill team more than anything because the talent that they're going to lose is barely going to be replaced by the talent that they bring in and the talent that comes from the improvement of their already present players. If they really want to rebuild, then I personally think that they need to take a new direction with their team.

The first way they could improve is trading their two young big men who are not seeing much playing time for either draft picks so that they can draft some guards and small forwards or for already proven players of the same positions. The second way I see them rebuilding is trading away both Millsap and Jefferson for future 1sts, sucking for 2-3 years until they draft a few game-changers for their backcourt, then taking another stab at the playoffs with a revitalized, young team. Again, as of right now, they're going to be losing talent this offseason and either becoming worse next season or about the same, that being a late-lottery to 6-8 seed. Thus, in their current situation, I wouldn't consider them a playoff team. Do they NEED to rebuild? I'd say so, but they haven't taken that leap yet like you say they have. They're still hopelessly trying to win a championship by some miracle.

If you want to look at a rebuilding team, look at the Cavs or Toronto. Those are rebuilding teams.

[ArchieBunker7]

I don't believe I compared TT to Favors. Could you please correct me and point out where I did? Thanks. Also, the Kings will have to set a record in most years in a row without making it out of the bottom 10 in the league by a few years in order for us to not see that pick.

You're totally missing the point. Go back, reread it, and then lemme know if you still don't get it. Not trying to be a dick. Just think you missed the point.

[Tank God]

You're totally missing the point. Go back, reread it, and then lemme know if you still don't get it. Not trying to be a dick. Just think you missed the point.

When comparing TT to Favors, I'll agree that Favors is more valuable than TT at this moment. Unless TT figures it out offensively, Favors has the advantage for sure. But that doesn't mean that TT needs to be thrown into the trade, nor does the Sac Pick.Ut

I also agree that this trade should be about projections rather than what the players are doing right now, but Utah and the Cavs value Andy in different ways. With Utah being a playoff team, they could potentially value Andy's current play more than Favors' or Kanter's projected talent while we are the opposite in that we should value the projected talent of those two guys over Andy's current play because those two are on the upside while Andy is on the downside. With that said, I still don't believe that Favors' projected value to the Cavs quite lives up to Andy's current value to Utah. That's why I believe that Kanter would even things out more.

It seems as though you and Triumph value Favors and Kanter combined more than Andy while I value Andy about the same as Favors and Kanter combined. I guess it just boils down to subjective opinion as to how much each player is valued.

I'll be honest and say that, if I had to say yes or no to the trade of Andy/Sac 1st/TT for Kanter/Favors as a last resort trade where, if this trade doesn't go down, Andy doesn't get traded at all, I'd have to reluctantly say yes, but I still think that we can make out better than that trade scenario, which is really what I'm arguing about. We can do better.

Besides, I don't think it's very likely that Utah trades those two guys away when at least one of Jefferson or Millsap will likely be gone. That will give each of those guys 10-15 more minutes per game a piece at least.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I think that the OKC trade is more likely and more beneficial than the proposed Utah trade. Besides, this trade thread wasn't even about Kanter or Favors to begin with. It was about Millsap and Jefferson. The Toronto pick and Perkins for Andy alone would be a far better deal than Andy/TT/Sac 1st for Kanter/Favors, and I'm guessing that, if the OKC trade does go down, we'll get more than just the Toronto pick to go along with Perkins. At least one of Jones/Lamb would be included.

[akhan786]

Kevin Love anyone? Uncle Drew and Uncle Wes reuniting in Cleveland.

Apparently Love is frustrated with Minny.

[polklop1]

When comparing TT to Favors, I'll agree that Favors is more valuable than TT at this moment. Unless TT figures it out offensively, Favors has the advantage for sure. But that doesn't mean that TT needs to be thrown into the trade, nor does the Sac Pick.Ut

I also agree that this trade should be about projections rather than what the players are doing right now, but Utah and the Cavs value Andy in different ways. With Utah being a playoff team, they could potentially value Andy's current play more than Favors' or Kanter's projected talent while we are the opposite in that we should value the projected talent of those two guys over Andy's current play because those two are on the upside while Andy is on the downside. With that said, I still don't believe that Favors' projected value to the Cavs quite lives up to Andy's current value to Utah. That's why I believe that Kanter would even things out more.

It seems as though you and Triumph value Favors and Kanter combined more than Andy while I value Andy about the same as Favors and Kanter combined. I guess it just boils down to subjective opinion as to how much each player is valued.

I'll be honest and say that, if I had to say yes or no to the trade of Andy/Sac 1st/TT for Kanter/Favors as a last resort trade where, if this trade doesn't go down, Andy doesn't get traded at all, I'd have to reluctantly say yes, but I still think that we can make out better than that trade scenario, which is really what I'm arguing about. We can do better.

Besides, I don't think it's very likely that Utah trades those two guys away when at least one of Jefferson or Millsap will likely be gone. That will give each of those guys 10-15 more minutes per game a piece at least.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I think that the OKC trade is more likely and more beneficial than the proposed Utah trade. Besides, this trade thread wasn't even about Kanter or Favors to begin with. It was about Millsap and Jefferson. The Toronto pick and Perkins for Andy alone would be a far better deal than Andy/TT/Sac 1st for Kanter/Favors, and I'm guessing that, if the OKC trade does go down, we'll get more than just the Toronto pick to go along with Perkins. At least one of Jones/Lamb would be included.

You underrate both Favors and Kanter. Your theoretical Utah trade would be way better for the Cavs than your OKC trade IMO. But it doesn't really matter, because as mentioned before, Utah would never entertain such a deal.

[ReAL DeAL]

Keep Andy, sign Big Al, draft the best wing player. Hello playoffs and home court in the 1st round.

[Randolphkeys]

Kevin Love anyone? Uncle Drew and Uncle Wes reuniting in Cleveland.

Apparently Love is frustrated with Minny.

Love wants to go to a big market, preferably his hometown L.A. The Cavaliers aren't based out of L.A. Let's keep this thread focused on Utah and keep the Love talk in a Love thread.

[RonG]

Love wants to go to a big market, preferably his hometown L.A. The Cavaliers aren't based out of L.A. Let's keep this thread focused on Utah and keep the Love talk in a Love thread.

No Love for Love in Utah.. got it !

[Randolphkeys]

No Love for Love in Utah.. got it !

Love it!

[PATRICK EWING]

I don't understand some of these trades... I don't get AV to UTAH.. Makes no sense for them and kinda reminds me of the Hawks/Wolves going after Pau hard... Don't get it, but whatever...

Kevin Love is starting to evolve into that huge ego/ big market thumper, whining bitch type...