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  • Just pick him #1.

    5 7.04%
  • Not interested in trading up to get him.

    25 35.21%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33 and Kings (201_) pick

    24 33.80%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33, and Grizz (2015) pick

    3 4.23%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33, Kings and Grizz pick

    3 4.23%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33, Kings, Grizz, and Heat (2015) pick

    2 2.82%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33, and Cavs (2014 top-5 protected) pick

    3 4.23%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33, Kings, Grizz and Cavs (2014 top-5 protected) pick

    2 2.82%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33, Kings, Grizz, Heat, and Cavs (2014) protected pick

    2 2.82%
  • Trade every available pick the Cavs can possibly trade over the next 5 years.

    2 2.82%
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    Default Closer Look: Otto Porter

    Since his name has come up in multiple threads and I'm sitting at work doing a whole lot of nothing. Which means if work stays like this I may do one for the other Zeller, Tony Mitchell, Kyle Anderson, Alex Len and Isiah Austin...maybe the Frenchie Gobert

    I would prefer to see SF taken with the first pick, just my op

    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Otto-Porter-6528/

    Video on linked page, this write up is a little old but interesting to read this and the one that is more recent below it


    H: 6' 9"
    W: 200 lbs
    Bday: 06/03/1993
    Wingspan: 7' 1"

    Georgetown has vastly exceeded expectations thus far this season with a stellar 12-1 record and a top-10 national ranking. While upperclassmen Hollis Thompson, Henry Sims and Jason Clark are playing very well, freshman Otto Porter has emerged from relative obscurity as an essential component to this success on both ends of the floor. Having never played AAU basketball and coming from a very small town in Missouri, Porter was not highly recruited, but his recent success has landed him on scouts' radars as a prospect to watch.

    At 6'9 with a very long wingspan and a rail-thin 205-pound frame, Porter has excellent size for the small forward position, even if he must get significantly stronger before he can make an impact at the next level. This is especially important considering his lack of elite athleticism, as he is more fluid and smooth than quick or explosive. Though his intelligence and instincts allow him to compensate somewhat at this level, he will have to maximize his physical potential to contribute at the next level.

    Despite playing 27.7 minutes per game and possessing an intriguing skill set relative to his size and age, Porter is not a big scorer at this stage, averaging just 8.5 points per game on 6.4 field goal attempts, ranking sixth on Georgetown's roster in usage rate.

    Part of this has to do with his perimeter shooting woes, an area in which he desperately needs to improve. While fairly effective making shots in the mid-range area (primarily from 12-15 feet), Porter shoots just 18.5% from beyond the arc on two attempts per game. His mechanics are very deliberate and his release is inconsistent at best, ranging from a compressed shooting motion to a lack of follow through. Getting stronger may help him develop greater range on his shot, but considering how awkward his mechanics are, there's a possibility that he may have to completely overhaul his stroke at some stage to become an acceptable long-range shooter.

    Where Porter excels at the moment is doing the little things inside the arc. He converts an astounding 69% of his 2-point attempts (3rd best in our database), moving off the ball extremely well in Georgetown's half-court offense, and finding spaces to catch the ball and finish around the basket or with a mid-range jumper. He's a prolific offensive rebounder, utilizing his excellent length, savvy and aggressiveness to come up with plenty of loose balls. He is also an extremely unselfish player who facilitates ball movement with his passing all over the floor.


    Porter must continue to develop his ball-handling skills to make the full conversion to the small forward position. Right now he is primarily a straight-line dribbler, struggling when forced to change directions with the ball. He has not shown the ability to create his own shot on a consistent basis yet, partially due to Georgetown's system, partially due to his somewhat passive style, and partially due to his rudimentary ball-handling skills. It will be interesting to see how he develops in this area, particularly since he is not a prolific shooter.

    Defensively, Porter lacks the strength to guard post players and the lateral quickness to guard small forwards, but he is able to compensate somewhat due to his length and his awareness. He would be well served to improve his defensive stance, as his propensity to stand completely upright certainly contributes to his struggles defending the perimeter. That being said, Porter is already establishing himself as an intelligent and aggressive defender, never giving up after getting beaten and remaining a factor even while trailing his man. He must continue to maximize his physical potential because he shows intriguing abilities despite his lack of elite athleticism.

    Though Porter is a very raw and unconventional basketball player at this point, all indications suggest that he is an intelligent individual with a good work ethic. As he continues to mature physically, it will be interesting to see how his skill-set evolves, as he's clearly still an early stage of his learning curve. Being one of the youngest members of this freshman class, not turning 19 for another six months, time is clearly on his side.

    From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2Cjepsmto
    http://www.draftexpress.com
    more recent write up

    http://nbadraft.net/players/otto-porter


    Strengths:

    Porter is a rising Soph. wing prospect with a lot of raw potential after emerging into an important player for Georgetown despite being a lightly touted late bloomer out of HS … Pretty unique type of player with an unorthodox style … Possesses great size and length on the wing at 6’8 with a lot of length, (7'1 wingspan) and a 205 lb frame that can definitely add plenty of muscle … Very smooth athleticism and nice balance for a guy his height … Plays a smart, composed game as you’d expect from a JT3-coached player … Understands his role on both ends, and rarely plays outside of his own comfort zone … Moves very well off the ball, and presents himself with about 2 or 3 very high percentage shots every game …

    Not going to make many mistakes finishing around the rim, where his solid athleticism and imposing length are all beneficial to him ... Effective with unorthodox short range jumpers from just outside of the paint … Heady passer, who will reward cutters when there is a passing lane to do so … Doesn’t need to hold the ball for a lot of time to make an impact when on the court … Unselfish …

    Good rebounder on both ends of the floor partially due to his length, and is also willing to dive on the floor and get physical on the glass…Has the ability to get chase down blocks when beaten off the dribble, and is never completely out of plays defensively when defending 1-on-1 … Enough length to effectively defend SF’s of any size in the long term … Will continue to get better as he adds strength and polish … Was productive for a guy who wasn’t heavily relied upon last season … Will probably benefit a lot by the experience he gained this past year ...

    Weaknesses:

    Right now, Porter is a very raw prospect with a lot of work to do to reach his untapped potential … Poor jump shooter right now, shot just above 20% on 3’s as a Fr. and even though he fared better from short and mid-range with his shot he still needs to basically learn how to shoot…Rarely shoots the same shot and thus has very sporadic results with his jumper … On top of his lack of jump shooting skills, its most concerning that he isn’t a good shot creator at all … Struggles to get shots for himself and really is a poor ball-handler on the perimeter …

    Plays with a high center of gravity, and it effects his ability to swiftly move laterally and make/contain sudden movements … Can get beat off the bounce by quicker wings … Right now plays a combo forward game, so improving as a ball handler and shooter is imparitive … Although he is unselfish, he can be passive and has a tendency to float offensively … Lacks strength and girth at 6’9 205, and will need to add strength to better adjust to physical play, maximize his athleticism, and even improve his jump shot consistency … Has a lot to learn and to improve upon, but is very young and still has a whole lot of time to develop ...

    Overall:

    Porter is a prospect with very good upside and physical tools … He’s a tall wing and his length makes him a high upside player, along with his late bloomer status … He really plays within himself and seems to be a smart player with plenty of time to improve … His shot, handle and strength all need major improvement but Porter has a lot of long term appeal as a prospect ...

    Notes:

    Measured 6'8 (in shoes) 200 lbs, with a 7'1 wingspan at the 2012 Kevin Durant Skills Academy
    If you find more recent scouting reports I will add them to this post, same with the other threads I start like this.

    Was a tad lazy with the updating so doing it now


    Daniel89 Post #15

    In case you missed it... Interview with him, said it be would an honor to play with Irving and Waiters...
    http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2013/0...in-title/feed/

    *L-Train* #21

    just listened to Bill Simmons' podcast and he had Chad Ford on. two interesting quotes (they were talking about Noel and which teams would have the patience to pick him and wait for him to get healthy):[/

    i don't think Cleveland will because i actually think i KNOW who they'll take and he's such a perfect fit for them....is Otto Porter out of Georgetown

    i think he can be at the minimum a Danny Granger type of player and then beyond that he could even be more


    Douglar # 64 Pace Adjusted:

    I put together some of the pace adjusted stats for the top draft picks.

    It was pretty kind to Porter. Wings with his length, shooting, and rebounding are almost a "can't miss" when they also have a decent rate of assists, steals and blocks like they do with Porter.
    His passing, defense and legit 3 point range makes him a great fit for the Cavs. He might not look that great because of some weak tourny games and a low key demeanor, but he's had Sophomore stats that are not embarrassing even when compared to some greats like Scotty Pippen. I'm pretty sure he'll be a legit starter in the NBA. If Porter can improve between 19 and 20 like he did between 18 and 19, he'll be something special.

    Oladipo, Smart and Bennett are wild cards. They might not be the positions that the Cavs want, but they look like they are solidly in the second tier of talent. Len could be in that second tier of talent, depending how you view his attitude and how you handycap his last season. There's a decent chance that the Cavs take a risk on Len even if they are picking at #3.

    McLemore seems like a third tier talent. While he wasn't bad, he didn't do much exciting other than score. Players like that don't always succeed in the NBA.

    Muhammad looks like he should still be available at #17.

    Notes:

    • Bold stats are good. Red Stats are bad.
    • Some of the stats are bold even though they are not the highest because they are good for that position. For example, TRB% = 16 for a center is just OK, but a TRB = 10 for a guard is great.
    • Steals and blocks are important because it shows NBA level athleticism and awareness.
    • Offensive rebounding is a trait that caries over to the NBA very well.
    • Players with a low USG% might be better fits next to Kyrie and Waiters.
    • TOV% has to be considered next to AST%. If the guy doesn't pass, low turnovers should be expected.


    Season Age Conf TS% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG%
    Noel 19.0 SEC 58.3 10.5 21.9 16.7 9.1 3.8 12.9 17.3 17.1
    Porter 19.8 Big East 57.8 8.8 18.3 13.9 10.9 2.4 3.1 12.0 17.4
    Bennett 20.1 MWC 60.9 10.3 21.8 16.3 8.8 1.5 4.6 12.3 27.5
    Smart 19.1 Big 12 53.2 5.4 14.2 9.9 26.8 5.3 2.2 18.9 27.2
    Oladipo 20.9 Big Ten 67.1 11.8 13.9 12.9 15.2 4.6 2.8 18.5 22.2
    Len 19.8 ACC 57.0 13.2 19.3 16.5 7.8 0.5 8.0 13.1 22.8
    Muhammad 20.4 Pac-12 52.8 9.9 8.5 9.2 5.8 1.3 0.4 8.6 29.8
    Stein 20.3 SEC 60.9 10.3 21.8 16.3 8.8 1.5 4.6 12.3 27.5
    Olynyk 22.0 WCC 71.0 11.7 20.1 16.3 14.9 1.6 5.5 15.9 29.9
    McLemore 21.2 Big 12 63.3 5.0 12.3 9.1 12.6 1.8 2.2 14.2 23.2
    Zeller 20.5 Big 10 62.4 12.3 18.8 15.8 9.5 2.1 4.4 14.5 26.5


    Here's some past players for comparison--

    Season Age Conf TS% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG%
    Irving 19.3 ACC 69.7 2.3 10.6 6.7 29.8 3.0 1.8 16.4 26.4
    Waiters 20.5 Big East 56.5 2.4 8.2 5.4 21.2 4.6 1.5 10.4 26.7
    Thompson 20.3 Big 12 53.6 14.0 13.7 13.8 8.1 1.8 7.2 12.7 22.4
    Gilcrist 18.7 SEC 57.0 10.3 16 13.4 10.8 1.9 2.8 17.3 20.6


    randymoss1881 # 113 – SI write up

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/col...n-otto-porter/

    Douglar # 131 – NBA.com write up

    http://www.nba.com/2013/news/feature...=iref:nbahpt6d

    Douglar # 156 Cavs the blog write up

    http://www.cavstheblog.com/?p=19489

    Meshuggener # 157 – Grantland importance of SF write up

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...isdom-suggests

    Douglar # 165 ESPN Insider

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft...p-30-prospects

    While we currently don't project Porter to go No. 1 to any team, a number of teams -- such as the Pistons, Suns and Wizards -- would consider Porter there and would likely take him at the No. 2 spot if they landed it. While Porter doesn't have the sizzling upside of others on the board, he might be the most complete player of the draft

    Nathan S # 178 – Porter - Paul George numbers comparison

    Player 1: 6'8" 205lbs, 19 years, 11 months
    Player 2: 6'8" 210lbs, 20 years, 0 months

    Player 1 is Otto Porter, and Player 2 is Paul George.

    After factoring in that Porter played in the Big East while George played in the WAC, it's pretty indisputable that Porter is *at least* as good a prospect as George was. So as far as I'm concerned, Porter's ceiling is *at least* a rich man's Paul George. What's a rich man's Paul George? How about another 6'8" 210lb SF. Yeah, you know who I'm talking about. The greatest second banana of all time. That wouldn't be a bad haul.

    If anyone's curious, here are Pippen's college stats (of course, keep in mind that the fair comparison is Pippen's sophomore year to Porter's soph year):



    Goldin Brown # 179 mix tape

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/az8a0ZlTw7g?wmode=opaque

    MrMacPhisto # 180 Otto Porter Bio

    http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...um-nate-lubick

    Nathan S # 191 written by Kevin Hetrick of Cavs:TheBlog

    Lest people think I'm sliding too far toward the Oladipo bandwagon, I'll leave these informative columns (written by Kevin Hetrick of Cavs:TheBlog) right here:

    http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2012...rward-offense/

    http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2013...rward-defense/

    They say that, for SF's drafted from 2000 to 2010, height was infinitely more predictive of offensive and defensive ability than athleticism.

    Note that this does not hold true for all positions...if you have time on your hands, it's worth reading the whole series.


    Tank God # 192 NBA Draft.net (get a link!)

    NBA Comparison: Tayshaun Prince
    Strengths:

    Porter is a multi-skilled small forward possessing tremendous length (7’1 wingspan) and veteran basketball savvy at 19-years of age. He’s in constant motion away from the ball, roaming the baseline, cutting backdoor or settling into soft spots. Utilizes that same motor to get out in the open court and runs exceedingly well end to end; averages 1.45 PPP in transition. Plays to his strengths and works hard to ameliorate areas of weakness. He upped his scoring output from 9.7 as a freshman to 16.2 as a sophomore (48% FG). The key ingredient to his offensive explosion was improved long-range proficiency, from 23% to 42% (12 makes to 43). 51% adjusted FG% in spot up opportunities. Highly efficient in the mid-range from either elbow -- catch and shoot coming off screens (or working the middle of 2-3) and dribbling into jumpers with one or two habit bounces. His unorthodox style and arm length frequently result in contact; makes excellent use of the pump fake. He gets to the free throw stripe 5 times per game and converts at 77%. Prudent decision maker with ball in hand when asked to facilitate in the Princeton system- 2.7:1.5 assist: turnover ratio. In sync with teammates and uses the dribble to create better passing angles. His feel for the game and nose for the ball are highlighted on the boards. His length/motor/instincts (reading caroms) allow him to chase down misses outside of his area (7.5 REB). Contests every jump shot-- even when a shooter creates space, his wingspan negates a clear look (0.9 BLK). Hedges screens aggressively and disrupts hand-offs (1.8 STL). Porter was a late bloomer that did not play on the AAU circuit. Finished classes after declaring for the draft and gets the” big picture”. Stable performer, never see him flustered.

    Weaknesses:

    Smooth run/jump athlete but missing the trademark explosion of a lottery talent. The power quotient is noticeably absent as well. While muscle definition is more noticeable, he has not added substantial bulk in his two years (from 200 to 205). It appears he has the broad shoulders to support more weight. He lacks the tools to impose his will on the game. Has difficulty creating clean looks for himself- off the dribble creativity is elementary and he’s more slippery/slithery than quick. Aptitude shooting off the bounce is often condensed to 1 or 2 dribbles, doesn’t rise up and elevate off hard drives. Not a consistent breakdown candidate, dependent on another playmaker or garbage buckets in the half court. Limited albeit diverse role player. Porter was utilized as a “pick and pop” threat just three times all season, failing to showcase potentially his greatest attribute as an undersized 4. His jump shot mechanics are awkward with elbows out and funky sidespin rotation. To his credit, he’s made it work a la Shawn Marion. Top-notch defender in all situations that don’t require side to side movement in open space. There are clear shortcomings in the lateral quickness department, which he masks with makeup speed and length.

    Injury note: He wore a right knee brace during the season’s final month after banging knees on February 20th.

    Adam Ganeles 5/7/13


    Douglar # 196 ESPN Insider

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft...-mock-draft-20

    Analysis: Porter is the perfect fit for Cleveland, and according to sources he is the No. 2-ranked player on the Cavs' board right now. With two dynamic scorers in their backcourt and good size up front, they need a wing like Porter who can excel without having the offense run through him.
    Posts from today with the start of the combine:

    Pyro #381

    Quote Originally Posted by Pyro View Post

    Northcoast kid #384

    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoastKid View Post

    Ntg #408

    Quote Originally Posted by NtG View Post
    Don't look too far into the Cavs not meeting with him, per Lloyd:

    http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-...mbine-1.398238
    L-Train #409

    Quote Originally Posted by *L-Train* View Post


    he talks about the Cavs not interviewing him at ~1.10. he also mentions Tayshaun Prince as a comparison for him...
    Long write up on Porter and the combine, new measurements yet that I've found when I find them I'll put them up as well.

    Just a link to this article:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...aft-projection

    Measurements:


    6' 7.5'' Ht w/o Shoes
    6' 8.5'' Ht w/ Shoes
    197.6 Weight
    7' 1.5'' Wingspan
    8' 9.5'' Reach
    6.7 Body Fat %
    8.75 Hand Length
    9.25 Hand Width


    Wuck #415

    Chad Ford @chadfordinsider
    Otto Porter was big with a 6'7.5" in socks and 6' 8.5" in shoes measurement . He has a very big 7'1.5" wing.8:47 PM - 16 May 2013
    How he compates with Tristan from a measurement standpoint:

    BoomOuttaHere #421

    Quote Originally Posted by BoomOuttaHere View Post
    Tristan's measurements were very similar. 6'7.5" without shoes, 6'8.75" with shoes, 7'1.25" wingspan.
    Athletic Testing Results

    http://nbadraft.net/forum/2013-nba-c...esting-results


    Three-quarter time 3.4

    Lane agility time 11.25

    Modified time 3.06

    Standing leap 27

    Maximum leap 36

    Kidduck #589

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/could-cava...LqrfwLeddDZ.99

    Could Cavaliers Make Otto Porter Top Pick?

    By Joel Brigham Senior NBA Writer

    Before the 2013 NBA Draft Lottery, the only players anybody really thought were in contention for the No. 1 overall pick were Nerlens Noel, Ben McLemore and, possibly, Trey Burke.

    However, now that the Cleveland Cavaliers have won the top overall selection, a new name is in the mix: Otto Porter.

    While most insiders still believe that Noel will be the top overall pick barring some sort of setback or bad medical report on his surgically repaired knee, there is an outside chance that the Georgetown small forward could hear his name called first on June 27. Goodness knows he’s working hard enough for it.

    “Summer is waking up early morning, getting my exercise in—running, riding my bike for a couple of hours—and then helping around the house, things that naturally build up my strength,” Porter said at the Draft Combine in Chicago. “In the afternoon I go to the gym for four or five hours, putting up shots, working on my ball handling, working on my jumpshot.”

    Now, he’s a likely top-three pick (if Cleveland doesn’t take him, the Washington Wizards at No. 3 probably will), proving that all that effort isn’t for naught.

    “Hard work pays off,” Porter said. “You finally get the benefits of working all these nights and hours that you put into your game.”
    Porter compares himself to Tayshaun Prince, a prototypical small forward who at his best could defend just about anybody at the position effectively.

    Porter describes himself in this light as, “Long, lanky, can do a lot of things on the court, rebound, defend,” and, like Prince, he considers himself “a glue guy.”
    In fact, that “glue” is something Porter is particularly proud of.

    “I’ve improved my leadership skills, being the leader of the team, being the player your team and your coach looks up to each and every night,” Porter said.

    Syracuse head coach Jim Boeheim called Porter the best small forward in Big East history, which means a lot coming from a storied coach at a rival school.
    Will he be one of the best small forwards in NBA history someday too, good enough to make a team glad they used a top-three pick on him?

    It’s a great question, and something Cleveland may have to spend some serious time considering. Next to a couple of scoring guards like Kyrie Irving and Dion Waiters, Porter could be the perfect complement, but one has to wonder whether a complementary player is worthy of the No. 1 pick.

    Or maybe, Porter is a whole lot more than that and we just haven’t seen the best of him yet.
    Kidduck # 590

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-rumors...QgM4v4dx1Iz.99

    1. devonte wilson

    who’s more likely to trade their draft pick the cavs at #1 or the mavs at 13?

    o Steve Kyler

    Cavs… I think they draft Noel and trade him to the team that drafts Otto Porter for them.
    o
    I think Dallas likes where they are and can get the player they covet.
    Nathan S #593


    http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...-porter-1.html

    Lots of advanced stats, including PER, offensive rating, defensive rating

    http://shutupandjam.net/draft-rankings/

    The draft rater I've brought up occasionally, and

    http://shutupandjam.net/2013/03/21/some-past-results/

    past results of that draft rater

    I'm interested to hear if there are any other good public draft raters out there by the way, if anyone happens to know.

    Also,



    So we'll see how Porter looks after that.
    Melecoaze #601

    MdS #611

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...tto-porter-jr/

    Wizards move up but could still miss out on Otto Porter Jr.
    Green Lantern #633

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ey...-with-no1-pick

    Report: Cavaliers eyeing Otto Porter with No.1 pickBy Matt Moore | NBA writer May 24, 2013 10:11 am ET
    Cavattited #650

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/col...aft-questions/


    Otto Porter, Nate Wolters among future NBA pros to watch

    1. Assuming Noel is off the board at No. 1, who's the best future pro from the rest of the players in the Lottery-Pick discussion?

    It's Georgetown's Otto Porter Jr., my favorite player in this draft and the only prospect available who offers the combination of being a good fit for his position (small forward); a proven high-usage, high-efficiency scorer who can shoot threes (making 44.1 percent in Big East games) and attack on the interior; and an elite defender.

    As a sophomore last season, Porter was the most complete player in college basketball, which was remarkable given that he was just 19 -- 4 months younger than McLemore and eight months younger than Shabazz Muhammad. I don't think it was a coincidence that Porter played with such savvy, so early, after avoiding the AAU system altogether. He arrived in college untainted and under-hyped, and within two years his game surpassed that of nearly all the summer-circuit stars in his class.

    As high as I am on Porter, Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim is even higher. Boeheim is not known as a criminal over-praiser of competition, either. In a pre-Final Four press conference, he declined to take the bait about a guy in contention for the No. 2 pick:

    Q: Obviously the matchup with Trey Burke, how is that going to play out?

    Boeheim: I don't pay much attention to matchups. It's teams. Teams play. Trey Burke has had a great year. Michigan is a great team, probably the best offensive team in the country. It will be a great challenge for us.

    Praise, but more of the crankily honest variety. Burke had great year. Michigan was the best offensive team in the country -- the stats backed that up. Now, here's Boeheim after beating Georgetown in the Big East tourney semifinals, getting set up to praise Orange small forward C.J. Fair but instead going full man-crush on someone else:

    Q: Coach, C.J. was basically shut down by Otto Porter the whole game and then had those two huge plays, including the steal at the end. What did that mean for the game?

    Boeheim: Otto Porter I hate to say this in some ways, but I was talking today before the game, I think he's the best all-around player I've seen in this league. I don't think I've seen a better all around player. The guy plays defense. ... I think he's a great defensive player. I think he's a great passer. I think he obviously can shoot the ball, and he just really, I don't see a weakness in his game from a perimeter point of view of a guy that I've seen in this league over the years.

    There's been so many great players, but centers, power forwards, point guards, two guards, but I don't think I've seen a better small forward in this league. He's just a complete player. If we were still in this league, I'd be saying that to get him out. But we're not.

    If you somehow missed decades of bitter Big East basketball, then I should remind you that Syracuse hates Georgetown and vice versa, and I can also recall that in the hallway right after that press conference at Madison Square Garden, Boeheim told a few reporters that he was not pleased with the way ex-Hoyas coach John Thompson Jr. had conducted himself following the final regular-season meeting between the two teams. But for Porter, it was all love, and the advanced stats back up the praise about his defense. He was the rare small forward who posted high percentages in defensive rebounding (19.0), blocks (3.0) and steals (3.3) -- production that should translate to the next level. And while he won't be looked at as a go-to scorer in the pros, the way he carried Georgetown through the heart of the Big East season, frequently using more than 30 percent of possessions with offensive ratings in the 140-plus range, showed that he could handle being the focal point of an offense.
    Cavattited #713

    Questions about Porters athletic ability should be deferred to the below chart where Porter is compared to other SF in regards to combine results from the athletic testing drills


    Quote Originally Posted by Cavattitude View Post

    Lane Agility 3/4 Court Sprint No Step Vertical Max Vertical Bench Press Wingspan Standing Reach
    Ariza 11.63 3.29 29.5 32.0 8 7' 2" 8' 11.5"
    Deng 11.46 3.34 27.5 31.5 5 7' 0.5" 9' 0.5"
    Durant 12.33 3.45 26.0 33.5 0 7' 4.75" 9' 2"
    Gay 11.03 3.32 33.0 40.5 9 7' 3" 8' 11.2
    Granger 10.84 3.34 31.0 34.0 10 7' 1.25" 8' 7"
    J. Green 12.00 3.34 33.5 38.0 17 7' 1.25" 8' 7"
    Iguodola 11.17 3.18 30.5 34.5 4 6' 11" 8' 9.5"
    Porter 11.25 3.40 27.0 36.0 9 7' 1.5" 8' 9.5"
    Source: Draftexpress.com

    The evidence doesn't lie. Porter is not an athletic freak, but he's better than advertised. Regardless of these stats, he's a skilled, savvy player, and there have been plenty of highly successful players who fit that mold.
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    Right now, Porter is a very raw prospect with a lot of work to do to reach his untapped potential … Poor jump shooter right now, shot just above 20% on 3’s as a Fr. and even though he fared better from short and mid-range with his shot he still needs to basically learn how to shoot…Rarely shoots the same shot and thus has very sporadic results with his jumper … On top of his lack of jump shooting skills, its most concerning that he isn’t a good shot creator at all … Struggles to get shots for himself and really is a poor ball-handler on the perimeter …
    This what makes me nervous about him.

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    No thank you. Otto is a terrible name. Palindrome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Boobie" Gibson View Post
    No thank you. Otto is a terrible name. Palindrome.
    I don't like Otto Porter as a prospect for the Cavaliers (he's Tayshaun Prince without the jump shot or stellar defense), but Otto Graham was pretty special for the Browns.

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    He is a less athletic Nicholas Batum.
    When in doubt, step up the defense

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    Quote Originally Posted by adam81king View Post
    I don't like Otto Porter as a prospect for the Cavaliers (he's Tayshaun Prince without the jump shot or stellar defense), but Otto Graham was pretty special for the Browns.
    Different sport. The Otto in basketball will be a failure. You can't succeed with the name Otto in basketball.

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    A jack of all trades, master of none SF with good size out of Georgetown. He's the next Jeff Green. I'll take him with a late first, but if he starts rising up the draft boards, I hope we're not the team that bites.

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    For the people worried about that jump shot.

    Ford: Otto Porter, F, Georgetown Hoyas
    Porter absolutely wowed scouts last week at the Legends Classic in New York with his strong play against UCLA and Indiana. His line against UCLA was a box-score stuffer: 18 points, 11 rebounds, 5 assists, 5 blocks, 3 steals and 2-for-2 on 3-pointers. He struggled in the first half against Indiana the next night before putting the team on his back and carrying it into overtime. Porter had five points and a rebound in the last 30 seconds of regulation.
    What's clear from watching both games is that Porter is now the leader of this team and he's markedly improved his jump shot from last year. Porter's long-range jumper and his leadership abilities were the two biggest questions scouts had about his game.
    Porter's been ranked as a potential top-11 pick on our Big Board since July 1 and hasn't actually moved up in the rankings much, but it's nice to see so many others recognizing what a talent he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GQinCtown View Post
    A jack of all trades, master of none SF with good size out of Georgetown. He's the next Jeff Green. I'll take him with a late first, but if he starts rising up the draft boards, I hope we're not the team that bites.
    Yes. That is the type of SF I think the Cavs need, too. I just don't want to take him in the top-10, unless he's a very special do-it-all player (like MKG is supposedly).

    This is going to be a very important and very difficult decision for the Cavs. We really need a special big man, but I don't know that there are any sure things this year. There are also quite a few tweeners (SF/PF) towards the top of the draft it seems.

    It may sound crazy, but I wouldn't be pissed if the Cavs took a lengthy PG/SG combo who could lock down defensively to complement Irving and Waiters. That way, two of the three could be on the floor at all times. (I think this would be plausible if the Cavs traded for another mid-first round pick)

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    I watched Porter quite a bit last season and believe he would be a perfect fit at SF playing next to Waiters and Irving especially if his shots are starting to fall. I would personally take Porter over Harrison Barnes at this point. Potentially at this point see Porter on the same tier as Paul George at the next level which means he could be a very good borderline all-star player but not a star who will regularly take over games. Of course Porter will look like an all-star compared to Gee. Mocks will change over the next few months but I'll guess Porter will be chosen around the same point in the draft as George who was picked #10 in 2010. I like Porter over Poythress but actually Goodwin seems to have the most killer instinct between the 3 of them (but don't see the Cavs taking another SG unless it's Shabazz who can probably play SF in the NBA).

    If Cavs get a top 5 pick I don't know if they can take Porter as there will be a few very talented bigs that will be more highly rated. Of course my guess is Noel and Shabazz will be firmly entrenched as the top 2 and the Cavs would have to choose one of them if they get a top 2 pick.

    After all that rambling, assuming the Cavs don't get a top 2 pick, I wouldn't be mad if they ended up with Porter and a raw big such as Willie Cauley-Stein later in the draft if he comes out. There's also a freshman center at Arizona who is starting to get some buzz out here on the West Coast(also another one at Texas) so potentially there could be more bigs who will eventually be added to all the mocks.

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    Yeah, definitely no longer a poor jump shooter (52% from the floor, 66% from 3, albeit in only 5 games), just was a freshman with poor mechanics. Great passer (3 ast/g), plays good defense, very long, rebounds very well (7.4 rb/g). Its such a huge bonus that he is one of the top SFs and he will have spent the last 2 years playing in Georgetown's Princeton style offense. Not with the first 1st round pick but if the Cavs are able to trade up to the back end of the lotto (where I think he ends up going) I'd gladly take him.

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    He contributes to the game in many facets. I don't know why the "jack of all trades" is deemed a bad thing like some people make it sound. He has a turnaround jumper in the post that's borderline automatic, and looks like a solid-to-good shooter at the moment. He plays well in the offense from what I saw tonight. Again, I would really like to see him attempt to get to the rim more, but whatever.

    A lot of people here have said he isn't exciting, and that is true. But team basketball is way more sexy to me than one sexy individual player who doesn't play well within the system, and that is what Otto brings to the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGMT View Post
    He contributes to the game in many facets. I don't know why the "jack of all trades" is deemed a bad thing like some people make it sound. He has a turnaround jumper in the post that's borderline automatic, and looks like a solid-to-good shooter at the moment. He plays well in the offense from what I saw tonight. Again, I would really like to see him attempt to get to the rim more, but whatever.

    A lot of people here have said he isn't exciting, and that is true. But team basketball is way more sexy to me than one sexy individual player who doesn't play well within the system, and that is what Otto brings to the table.
    I like the way Otto Porter plays. He reminds me of Tayshaun Prince. He's got the ability to be a very good player in the NBA. The thing is, the Cavaliers need more than just good players. We need a big man that requires double-teams in the post. We could also use another scorer on the wing (although less necessary). If the Cavaliers could get Porter as a second 1st round pick (even if that second 1st rounder is in the Lottery), like they did with Tristan Thompson, I'd be all for it. I'm just not sure I'd be ok with the Cavaliers coming away with a "glue guy" as their top draft acquisition at this point in the rebuild.

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    Even thought they have different games and positions, this guy kinda reminds me of Andy.

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    In case you missed it... Interview with him, said it be would an honor to play with Irving and Waiters...

    http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2013/0...in-title/feed/

    Obviously, he would speak as positively about other teams, but still nice to hear words like these...

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