Shapiro *Allegedly* Inserts Foot In Mouth

[Nom]

Winning cures everything. FACT.

Sure. Until they win. Then we need to wait till the weather is better. And school is out. And then they need to win consistently. Over a few years. And have superstars. And give free handsies at the gates - but then the handsies are too rough so people stay home, anyways. Go Browns.

[JiggleIt]

Sure. Until they win. Then we need to wait till the weather is better. And school is out. And then they need to win consistently. Over a few years. And have superstars. And give free handsies at the gates - but then the handsies are too rough so people stay home, anyways. Go Browns.

Yes.

[Nom]

Yes.

But what's your point? That if the team wins consistently over a few years they'll begin to draw fans. And then as soon as they lose again they lose all those fans?

So you're saying the Tribe has front-running fans?

[Nom]

Here more of Shapiro's quote when asked by a fan who attends 12 games a year why he should attend more:

Even the best teams lose 62 times in a season. If you base your decision to come to the game on whether we win or lose, don’t come. You’re missing out. You’re missing out on what baseball is all about, and I’m fine with that.

[MoneyMP3]

I've been to Classic Park in Eastlake. It's a great park to watch a game. I'm sure that the parks in Avon and Niles are nice too.

It's not. I work there doing the summer. It's not good.

[gnu16]

Yes.

But, no, not really. I linked the attendance figures for Indian history. The two best years the Tribe had were 1954 and 1995 winning pct. wise. They didn't sell out either season. 1954 was a little over 17,000 a game in a stadium that seated 73,000 +. Granted, the Indians drew better than the MLB average that year. Even the 100-44 season of 1995 (a team that went to the World Series) averaged less than 40,000.

I don't know what the answer is. Baseball is a great game that the younger generation isn't grasping onto (I'm 40 BTW). Maybe it's because we all have 55 inch HDTVs and we can watch from the comfort of home. Maybe it's because the minor league ballparks in the area aren't just rows of hard, cramped bleachers,(like in the olden days pre-1995) but are major league lite, and it's a cheaper source of entertainment than driving to the "big league city". Especially to watch a team that struggling to hit .500. But...but....the Indians have a great fireworks promotion on Friday night...so do the Akron Aeros...or the Lake County Captains...

I love the game, I hope to pass that love to my kids. But in a world where everything is so now...now..now...the relaxed pace of baseball seems slightly out of place.

[Pyro]

But...but....the Indians have a great fireworks promotion on Friday night...so do the Akron Aeros...or the Lake County Captains...

Actually, the production at Jacobs Field is 100% better than anything those weak little minor league affiliates can put on. You obviously haven't seen the latest Rock-N-Blast. It got a fucking standing ovation.

[gnu16]

It's not. I work there doing the summer. It's not good.

Serious question: Is it mostly bleacher seating? I believe the last time I looked at attendance for Mahoning Valley it was around a 3200 average, which I think is great for short season A ball.

I've always thought about seeing a game in every MLB and MiLB park. I don't know if I can do that, but I think I could do an Ohio ballpark trip in a season. I'm planning on catching the Scappers in 2013.

[gnu16]

Actually, the production at Jacobs Field is 100% better than anything those weak little minor league affiliates can put on. You obviously haven't seen the latest Rock-N-Blast. It got a fucking standing ovation.

I have enjoyed the firework shows that have been put on in the past. I did not attend one this past season. Then again, I'm one of those strange fans that actually goes for the game, keeps score in my seat, and enjoys the atmosphere...even on the rare occasions where I root for the AWAY team. Indian fans are great.

[Huber.]

Has a team ever won multiple years in a row without having any fans show up? They could make the playoffs 5 years in a row but the "fans" still wouldn't care because the thing is, is that the Indians don't really have a fanbase anymore....but I won't ever get proven right because since they don't have fans the team doesn't have money so they don't have talent.

[MoneyMP3]

Serious question: Is it mostly bleacher seating? I believe the last time I looked at attendance for Mahoning Valley it was around a 3200 average, which I think is great for short season A ball.

I've always thought about seeing a game in every MLB and MiLB park. I don't know if I can do that, but I think I could do an Ohio ballpark trip in a season. I'm planning on catching the Scappers in 2013.

There are more regular seats then bleacher seats. The 3rd base side is more bleachers but the rest of the stadium is seats.

[b00bie]

Has a team ever won multiple years in a row without having any fans show up? They could make the playoffs 5 years in a row but the "fans" still wouldn't care because the thing is, is that the Indians don't really have a fanbase anymore....but I won't ever get proven right because since they don't have fans the team doesn't have money so they don't have talent.

Tampa?

[Huber.]

Tampa?

Nope. Didn't go to the playoffs 3 years in a row! Doesn't count!

[b00bie]

Nope. Didn't go to the playoffs 3 years in a row! Doesn't count!

Haha good call.

Detroit hasn't since 1907-09...

The Reds, Brewers and White Sox never have...