Man Executes Two Teen Intruders

[Chardon]

No, it's insane to suggest that, 2 teenagers with obvious issues should be dead bc the burglarized a house (Also: is it a fact that these 2 did in fact rob this guy the previous times? It's a logical assumption, just wasn't sure).

These kids got the drug hooks into them. Let me pose it to you this way: let's say it was an iraq war veteran who broke into the house, searched for things to steal so he could feed his addiction. Would you think differently?

Both of your statements are idiotic. If those two came into my house at night, you bet your sweet liberal ass I'm shooting these drug addicts first, asking questions second. Are you suggesting that if someone breaks into your apartment, you are asking them "do you have problems, we can get you help". If you come into somebody else's domain, you should expect consequences to your actions. If it was an Iraq veteran, I'm shooing him.

Now I'm not saying I would execute them.

[Tornicade]

Both of your statements are idiotic. If those two came into my house at night, you bet your sweet liberal ass I'm shooting these drug addicts first, asking questions second. Are you suggesting that if someone breaks into your apartment, you are asking them "do you have problems, we can get you help". If you come into somebody else's domain, you should expect consequences to your actions. If it was an Iraq veteran, I'm shooing him.

Now I'm not saying I would execute them.

I was under the impression meme loving hippies didnt have guns.

[Mac]

First off, I don't own a gun so yeah you'd probably leave alive.

But no, I'm wouldn't say that if the first shots were death shots. Although I'm of the opinion that he should have warned them and given them a chance to surrender. Still, even if he didn't and just shot them and they happened to die, that's different. There's a reason I said I don't think breaking and entering/theft is worthy of the death penalty. He executed these kids.

LMAO...warn somebody breaking into your home? Are you serious? They ignored all the warnings by coming into the home...that's the whole point of the law saying you can now react with deadly force.

Do you want to hold a conversation with them first? Find out if they are doing ok? How old they are? If they ar eon drugs? What weapons, if any, they have? Assess the whole situation before then firing? You would end up like Shawn Taylor more often than not in your situation.

[Mac]

In one breath you claim you're not defending him, at the same time you say you would never convict this murderer of any charge.

Yet I am the one who sounds stupid? This is the second post where I have called out your contradictory stances. Choose a side and stick with it. Either the guy is a murderer and you should charge him as such, or you are pro-execution style murders in peoples' basements if the victims are committing a felony. Which is it? You have a lot of nerve discussing comprehension levels when you can't even stick to your story here.

Im not a lawyer, it's not my job to defend him. I've already told you that he went way beyond what a reasonable person would do. But no, I am not convicting him because felons don't have rights. They took the risk of going in there like the pieces of shit they are and they deserve anything they got coming to them.

The world is better off without these two in it. Multiple felony acts before the age of 18 with a drug problem. Not losing any sleep over that.

[Damage]

Both of your statements are idiotic. If those two came into my house at night, you bet your sweet liberal ass I'm shooting these drug addicts first, asking questions second. Are you suggesting that if someone breaks into your apartment, you are asking them "do you have problems, we can get you help". If you come into somebody else's domain, you should expect consequences to your actions. If it was an Iraq veteran, I'm shooing him.

Now I'm not saying I would execute them.

As is your reading comprehension.

Look tiny, your bolded portion is precisely what I was talking about. Did I ever once say shooting them was out of line? No. Did they deserve to die? That's co-dependant on how they died, which was a fucking execution style murder after they were maimed and unable to cause bodily harm to the homeowner.

So no, because of the nature in which they died, they did not deserve it. The Iraq thing was placed in there to question do we hold certain people of higher standards just because of their background (Iraq vets are notoriously known to be hooked on oxy's and extremely high arrest records for breaking and entering) or is a burglar a burglar, no matter the reason (i.e. do you arrest and throw away the keys on someone caught stealing shit to sell so they can feed their family type of thing).

Google search laws of reasoning then come back to the game, sonny.

[JiggleIt]

Just seems like an unnecessarily melodramatic, fatalistic, narcissistic point of view to me. But oh well.

It's fatalistic and narcissistic for sure. There's a lot of oxygen thieves out there who i wish weren't around. There's also nobody I'd be willing to kill without mine or my family's life being at risk, because my life is worth more than theirs and I enjoy my life without intruding on others. Narcissistic or not, it's not about me. It's about people like this guy and people like those kids.

Melodramatic...I don't see it. I'm expressing a stance based on 29 years of observation of all walks of life. Some people just aren't good for society, not sure why that's difficult to admit. I'm not saying I'd kill those people. Just that...I don't want them around. It's the opposite of dramatic.

I forgot how impeccable your background was. You're insane.

I don't know what this means. I didn't state that I was perfect or really make this about anything other than my opinion that society is better off without people that break into houses on a regular basis.For the record...I've never been addicted to drugs, stolen anything or broken into anyone's house.

[Daddy Deezy]

Jigo, My problem with your opinion is that you assume that these kids, of whom you know little about, would never be good for society... at the ripe old age of 17 and 18. I'm with you in regards to the opinion that there are an abundance of people who aren't good for society at all... and I'd like them gone too. The issue I have is how do you know who these people are? Where is the line drawn? For you, these kids being 18 years old hooked, on drugs, and breaking into a house was enough to say "good riddance". For me, I still think these kids could have still had great lives... I wonder how many 17 or 18 year olds get hooked on heroin, meth, or some other ridiculous drug and make these kinds of mistakes while they're young, only to end up as contributing members of society in the future. Sure, I know that the majority of kids in their position probably end up as drains on society, but how do you know these kids were destined for that? This line of thinking is too simplistic, shortsighted, and somewhat dangerous. It essentially implies that "you" can tell at some point in a person's life that they're going to be a net negative on society.


In summary, its ridiculous to say these kids "deserved" what they got (not referring to you, Jigo.) They didn't "deserve" to die and I wouldn't even say they "deserved" to get shot (in the sense that the chance of killing someone by shooting them isn't an appropriate punishment for breaking in someone's house and stealing material items from them). That being said, just because they didn't "deserve" to get shot doesn't mean that they shouldn't have expected it as a possible outcome of their actions. For that reason, and for the fact that the homeowner had the right to protect himself from a potentially dangerous intruder, I don't feel and sadness or sorrow over the fact these kids got shot... I do, however, feel horrible that they were killed, execution style, after they were clearly not a threat to the homeowner's safety. I also feel bad, in general, after reading this thread and hearing how some people say these kids deserved to die. Its ridiculous, and its disappointing... mostly because I would love to think that our society is moving past this type of violent "black and white.... you desreve to die because you're scum and you broke the law" type of thinking.

[KI4MVP]

I have a question. Why is it assumed these kids were on drugs? Am I the only one who read this:

Johnson, 68, said he returned from Spain Sunday evening to find drawers pulled out and cupboard doors open. At first, he said, he thought the friend watching his house was playing a joke, but as he went from room to room and discovered a sliding glass door had been smashed, he realized he had been robbed.

He said his prescriptions to treat diabetes and control cholesterol were missing, along with some foreign coins and pennies. He said his friend checked the home Wednesday and everything was fine.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2204164.html

and

Richard Johnson, the retired Little Falls High School teacher who authorities believe also fell victim to a burglary by Kifer and Brady, showed a reporter the French door where the thieves entered his elegant Tudor house after smashing the glass while standing on his deck.

He said the thieves rifled most of the drawers in the home but took only coins of little value and his non-narcotic prescription drugs.

http://www.startribune.com/local/181189391.html?refer=y

How did we jump from that to assuming they were strung out on Oxy and Meth? it's possible they were on drugs, but there's no evidence that I've seen to simply assume it as fact.

As a father of 6, I know teenagers make mistakes. I also have seen that the mistakes they make at 17 and 18 don't necessarily reflect the kind of person they will be even a year or two later.

[Tornicade]

Im not a lawyer, it's not my job to defend him. I've already told you that he went way beyond what a reasonable person would do. But no, I am not convicting him because felons don't have rights. They took the risk of going in there like the pieces of shit they are and they deserve anything they got coming to them.

The world is better off without these two in it. Multiple felony acts before the age of 18 with a drug problem. Not losing any sleep over that.

In the State of Minnesota entering a dwelling without consent is a misdeamenor. entering a building with an intent to commit a misdmeanor other than theft is a 4th degree felony.

at no point has there been any establishment on the intruders intent when they entered the home. they very well could of thought the place was vacant.


there is no evidence linking them to the october 27th burglary.

The homeowner sat in waiting and shot the people without actually seeing them.

Minnesota Statute 609.605
Trespass


2 lifes lost and one life ruined isnt really something to take joy in. the fct that they were intruders at all is still alleged.

of course the information coming out now pretty much confirms what their intent was and that the homeowner most likely was being robbed repeatedly.

http://www.startribune.com/local/181189391.html?refer=y

but ultimately this is a sad story in which there were no winners. I dont see the teens as victims. but their deaths in a situation or lifestyle they had committed themselves to ruined this guys life.

[Tlyons]

Come on man. Half of you would shoot yourself in the leg. Get your gun, prepare to use it, yell that you have it, and call 911. If you fear for your life than obviously it may not happen in that order. And like this guy you may have to use deadly force if you feel you need to.

[JiggleIt]

Fairly certain this was second degree burglary in Minnesota.

[Damage]

It's fatalistic and narcissistic for sure. There's a lot of oxygen thieves out there who i wish weren't around. There's also nobody I'd be willing to kill without mine or my family's life being at risk, because my life is worth more than theirs and I enjoy my life without intruding on others. Narcissistic or not, it's not about me. It's about people like this guy and people like those kids.

Melodramatic...I don't see it. I'm expressing a stance based on 29 years of observation of all walks of life. Some people just aren't good for society, not sure why that's difficult to admit. I'm not saying I'd kill those people. Just that...I don't want them around. It's the opposite of dramatic.




I don't know what this means. I didn't state that I was perfect or really make this about anything other than my opinion that society is better off without people that break into houses on a regular basis.For the record...I've never been addicted to drugs, stolen anything or broken into anyone's house.

My problem with your stance is your logic dismisses an abundance of variables that play into the equation. These kids broke into a house, therefore they must be 100% negative to society, thus "earning" their death.

It's fine to hold your opinion, but you make it an absolute with too much grey area.

[Chardon]

This is quickly heading down the Zimmerman-Trayvon thread. I'm going to get the popcorn.

[SuperSurge]

[Mac]

In the State of Minnesota entering a dwelling without consent is a misdeamenor. entering a building with an intent to commit a misdmeanor other than theft is a 4th degree felony.

at no point has there been any establishment on the intruders intent when they entered the home. they very well could of thought the place was vacant.


there is no evidence linking them to the october 27th burglary.

The homeowner sat in waiting and shot the people without actually seeing them.

Minnesota Statute 609.605
Trespass


2 lifes lost and one life ruined isnt really something to take joy in. the fct that they were intruders at all is still alleged.

of course the information coming out now pretty much confirms what their intent was and that the homeowner most likely was being robbed repeatedly.

http://www.startribune.com/local/181189391.html?refer=y

but ultimately this is a sad story in which there were no winners. I dont see the teens as victims. but their deaths in a situation or lifestyle they had committed themselves to ruined this guys life.

They broke into a home right before they broke into this guys house and they stole pills among other items. Pretty safe to say they knew the home wasn't vacate and that they were there to burglarize the residence.