Page 4 of 8 FirstFirst ... 23456 ... LastLast
Results 46 to 60 of 108
  1. #46
    Master Lord Mar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    9,084
    Thanks
    5,924
    Thanked 1,691 Times in 803 Posts

    Default Re: Jovan Belcher and Gun Control

    RCF sponsored Range Time? lol
    *Hot Topics*RCF FAQDonate to RCF!


    RCF All-Time Rank : posts #36 rep #44

  2. The Following User Says Thank You to Lord Mar For This Useful Post:


  3. #47
    Master Lord Mar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    9,084
    Thanks
    5,924
    Thanked 1,691 Times in 803 Posts

    Default Re: Jovan Belcher and Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by KI4MVP View Post
    there is technology available that prevents anyone other than the guns owner from shooting that gun.
    Yea, it's called a holster and a safe. Or some good ol' common sense.
    *Hot Topics*RCF FAQDonate to RCF!


    RCF All-Time Rank : posts #36 rep #44

  4. #48
    formerly LJ4MVP KI4MVP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    12,045
    Thanks
    3,087
    Thanked 6,961 Times in 2,510 Posts

    Default Re: Jovan Belcher and Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Malt View Post
    Why the hate for assault weapons? Most of the already gun-related homicides are caused by pistols, murder by assault weapon is almost nonexistent.
    The purpose of the right to bear arms is to protect ourselves from our government, if it is ever necessary.

    Our forefathers had the foresight to know even a democracy could one day become corrupt and oppressive. The 2nd amendment is a small step to prevent it.
    1 - pistols aren't used for things like the Virginia Tech or the Dark Knight Rises shootings. It stands to reason that less people would be injured or killed in incidents like that if the shooters only had pistols.

    2 - there is zero chance civilians in the US could defeat the US military. The 300 million guns in the country would be no match for tanks, jets and bombs.

  5. #49
    Formerly known as Talm MalTalm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Piqua, OH
    Posts
    2,139
    Thanks
    5,385
    Thanked 2,074 Times in 717 Posts

    Default Re: Jovan Belcher and Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by KI4MVP View Post
    1 - pistols aren't used for things like the Virginia Tech or the Dark Knight Rises shootings. It stands to reason that less people would be injured or killed in incidents like that if the shooters only had pistols.
    The Virginia Tech shooting was done with two handguns. Columbine was done with handguns and shotguns. And as far as the Dark Knight Rises guy, he was a doctorate student studying neuroscience. He could have found potentially more harmful ways of inflicting massive damage on the population. He also outfitted his entire house with traps and bombs. A guy like that, who has the will to kill many people, doesn't need an assault rifle to do it. And keeping one out of his hands doesn't stop him.

    If an individual wants to kill a large group of people, it can be done with bombs, biological weapons, poisons, toxins, etc. They could hijack a bus and drive it off a bridge, release mustard gas in a subway, etc. Identifying dangerous individuals is the key to stopping these incidents, not trying to police their methods, because they are countless.

    2 - there is zero chance civilians in the US could defeat the US military. The 300 million guns in the country would be no match for tanks, jets and bombs.
    The arab spring shows us differently. An armed civilian base is too large and pervasive for a government to easily control. An unarmed base is much less of a threat for an uprising. While I agree in part with the above (technology has advanced past the purpose of the second amendment sadly), it isn't a good reason to further weaken ourselves. Work on fixing the socio-economic issues in society and you'll reduce the homicide rate far more than any gun law will achieve.
    I've been nothing but complementary of Weeden.
    -b00bie

  6. The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to MalTalm For This Useful Post:


  7. #50
    Gold Star Member Notorious's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    662
    Thanks
    977
    Thanked 322 Times in 152 Posts

    Default Re: Jovan Belcher and Gun Control

    KI do you even know what an assault weapon is? What makes it different than a pistol.

    Accidental deaths per 100,000 in this country 37. Should we outlaw accidents? Let's make so many rules that all we can do is sit inside and watch TV. THEN WE'LL ALL BE SAFE!!!

    With 7 Billion people on this earth what is an acceptable number of deaths per year? Should we fight to make sure no one ever dies? Should we outlaw fast food? No more automobiles? Should we outlaw peanuts and other things that cause allergies? Should we outlaw sports because people die playing them?

    Look how scary life is KI
    http://www.besthealthdegrees.com/health-risks/

    You can die doing anything. Stop being so scared and get to living your life. You've only got one chance to do this right.

  8. #51
    formerly LJ4MVP KI4MVP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    12,045
    Thanks
    3,087
    Thanked 6,961 Times in 2,510 Posts

    Default Re: Jovan Belcher and Gun Control

    so your'e saying because people die nothing at all should be done to improve safety? That the death of Kasandra Perkins is part of an acceptable number?

    I just googled "child accidentally shot" and hit news to get the recent news stories on this topic - there were 9,370 results. Just ignore the issue and consider all of those children to be part of an acceptable number?

    You have to study and pass a test that shows you are a responsible driver to drive a car. Show you are irresponsible and your driving privileges are revoked. People on this thread talk about if gun owners are responsible, accidents can be avoided. The problem is, irresponsible people are also able to get guns with no training whatsoever on gun safety. The problem is they aren't just putting themselves in danger, they are putting other people in danger.

  9. The Following User Says Thank You to KI4MVP For This Useful Post:


  10. #52
    . David.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    San Diego
    Posts
    8,807
    Thanks
    7,947
    Thanked 6,830 Times in 2,832 Posts

    Default Re: Jovan Belcher and Gun Control

    How much scrill do I have to come up wtih to buy a gun?

    also, is it true that each bullet has some sort of fingerprint which is specifically related to the gun it's shot from? Which is on file permanently?

  11. #53
    BANNED Maximus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Mentor
    Posts
    17,152
    Thanks
    5,551
    Thanked 26,605 Times in 4,029 Posts

    Default Re: Jovan Belcher and Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by KI4MVP View Post
    so your'e saying because people die nothing at all should be done to improve safety? That the death of Kasandra Perkins is part of an acceptable number?

    I just googled "child accidentally shot" and hit news to get the recent news stories on this topic - there were 9,370 results. Just ignore the issue and consider all of those children to be part of an acceptable number?

    You have to study and pass a test that shows you are a responsible driver to drive a car. Show you are irresponsible and your driving privileges are revoked. People on this thread talk about if gun owners are responsible, accidents can be avoided. The problem is, irresponsible people are also able to get guns with no training whatsoever on gun safety. The problem is they aren't just putting themselves in danger, they are putting other people in danger.
    Would you be in favor of reducing the speed limit to 40MPH on the highways and 20MPH on regular streets? It would GREATLY reduce the number of accidental deaths and easily improve safety. 10's of thousands die per year in car accidents. It would probably save 20K lives, right? That's a lot more accomplished than by banning assault rifles.

  12. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Maximus For This Useful Post:


  13. #54
    formerly LJ4MVP KI4MVP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    12,045
    Thanks
    3,087
    Thanked 6,961 Times in 2,510 Posts

    Default Re: Jovan Belcher and Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    Would you be in favor of reducing the speed limit to 40MPH on the highways and 20MPH on regular streets? It would GREATLY reduce the number of accidental deaths and easily improve safety. 10's of thousands die per year in car accidents. It would probably save 20K lives, right? That's a lot more accomplished than by banning assault rifles.
    I would be in favor or widening roads and putting medians anywhere the speed limit is over 40 MPH. 56% of all traffic fatalities occur on these types of roads.

    I would also increase the penalties for DUIs, which often get a relative slap on the wrist until they cause accidents/deaths.

    The ultimate solution for driving deaths is self driving cars

    Would you be opposed to requiring gun owners to receive gun safety training and pass a responsible gun owners test before they are allowed to buy a gun the same way people have to pass a test to drive a car?
    Last edited by KI4MVP; 12-06-2012 at 04:44 PM.

  14. #55
    Cleveland Cavaliers Fan Phills14's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Chardon, OH
    Posts
    5,687
    Thanks
    3,536
    Thanked 5,574 Times in 1,928 Posts

    Default Re: Jovan Belcher and Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Notorious View Post
    It's pretty clear your not a gun owner and certainly have no idea what an "assault weapon" is other than what the media tells you, of which you would be wrong. Why not go to a shooting range? Excercise your second amendment right and purchase a gun and become educated. Hell I will take you shooting so you can speak from experience.

    It just bugs me to no end when people have no hands on experience, and somehow think they're qualified to make an opinion, after seeing a biased and wrong news cast for 5 minutes.

    Offer stands to anyone who would like to learn how to shoot. PM me and I will take you out shooting.
    I'm glad that was clear because you are right I do not own a gun. I have not fired a gun nor do I care to fire one in the future. I don't put myself or my family is situations where I feel like I need to keep a gun to protect us. That being said I understand why others keep guns and I'm ok with it. I have no problem if you own a gun. All I ask is that if you do, you keep it out of reach of children so an accident doesn't happen to me or my family.

    With regards to assault weapons, I consider any weapon that will fire muliple shots without reloaded/cocking in a rapid time frame unnessary. I don't see the need to fire 15 shots in 7 seconds or something crazy like that.

    To address the "assault weapon deaths are relatively low" argument. I agree it's a very small percentage but don't you think that percentage should be zero or damn near close to it? Why is a low number if deaths acceptable when it can be almost eliminated? Rationalizing something because it only creates a small amount of destruction is the wrong approach. Especially when the weapon has no sporting value other than its "cool" to own one.

    Guns clearly aren't for me but I get why some like them. That's fine. But we shouldn't allow certain weapons to fall into the private sectors hands because they only cause destruction and don't solve a problem. We also shouldn't allow mentally challenged or mentally unstable people easy access to guns. That's probably my main point in joining this conversation.

  15. The Following User Says Thank You to Phills14 For This Useful Post:


  16. #56
    Cleveland Cavaliers Fan Phills14's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Chardon, OH
    Posts
    5,687
    Thanks
    3,536
    Thanked 5,574 Times in 1,928 Posts

    Default Re: Jovan Belcher and Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Notorious View Post
    It's pretty clear your not a gun owner and certainly have no idea what an "assault weapon" is other than what the media tells you, of which you would be wrong. Why not go to a shooting range? Excercise your second amendment right and purchase a gun and become educated. Hell I will take you shooting so you can speak from experience.

    It just bugs me to no end when people have no hands on experience, and somehow think they're qualified to make an opinion, after seeing a biased and wrong news cast for 5 minutes.

    Offer stands to anyone who would like to learn how to shoot. PM me and I will take you out shooting.
    Also when it comes to the safety of myself or my family, my opinion on guns is just as important as yours.

    Edit... Where did the newscast thing come about. Dd I say anything about a show I watched?
    Last edited by Phills14; 12-06-2012 at 05:06 PM.

  17. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Phills14 For This Useful Post:


  18. #57
    Formerly known as Talm MalTalm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Piqua, OH
    Posts
    2,139
    Thanks
    5,385
    Thanked 2,074 Times in 717 Posts

    Default Re: Jovan Belcher and Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by KI4MVP View Post
    so your'e saying because people die nothing at all should be done to improve safety? That the death of Kasandra Perkins is part of an acceptable number?
    Kasandra Perkins was the victim of a depressed and suicidal boyfriend. It is a tragedy she died, but it is disingenuous to use her to further a political discussion. Had Jovan grown up with a stronger support system, a fundamental way of taking care of his mental well-being, and had the capacity to manage his emotions, she would still be here. Take the gun out of the equation, and while perhaps Kasandra may still be alive, Jovan would still be incredibly depressed and potentially both suicidal and homicidal. The issues are far deeper than the end result.

    I just googled "child accidentally shot" and hit news to get the recent news stories on this topic - there were 9,370 results. Just ignore the issue and consider all of those children to be part of an acceptable number?
    child accidentally drowned
    Child accidentally shaken
    Child accidentally suffocated
    Child accidentally poisoned

    I listed the above not only because each lead to far more deaths for children than firearms do, but also to point out the results discrepancy: Each of the above have far less "results" than children accidentally shot." The political fury against firearms makes it a hot button issue, and the media covers gun assaults closely, because it boosts viewership significantly. However, the amount of media coverage of a topic is hardly a strong representation of how significant the issue really is.

    You have to study and pass a test that shows you are a responsible driver to drive a car. Show you are irresponsible and your driving privileges are revoked. People on this thread talk about if gun owners are responsible, accidents can be avoided. The problem is, irresponsible people are also able to get guns with no training whatsoever on gun safety. The problem is they aren't just putting themselves in danger, they are putting other people in danger.
    Gun rights may also be revoked if you are felonious or irresponsible with a gun. My hypothesis is you are trying to solve an issue which, while it makes logical sense, statistically isn't relevant. As a result, a checks and balances system put in place would do more harm than good; the law of unintended consequences. A similar issue in politics was voter ID fraud: Republicans wanted to implement voter ID laws in many states, despite the incredibly low number of voter ID fraud incidents. Had those laws been passed, they would have served only to curtail voters from voting, not actually make the voting process any more clandestine.
    I've been nothing but complementary of Weeden.
    -b00bie

  19. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to MalTalm For This Useful Post:


  20. #58
    The Bushido doctrine Homer Safari's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Columbus, oh
    Posts
    8,224
    Thanks
    2,279
    Thanked 5,193 Times in 2,285 Posts

    Default Re: Jovan Belcher and Gun Control

    Theres only one purpose for assault weapons during peace time and thats to shoot bullseye.

    Switzerland supplies these guns to their Citizens. Acountry that has no standing army yet was able to avoid invasion during both world wars.

    Assault weapons are currently a private citizens best protection and deterrent to domestic or foreign invasion.

    The US government was still made for the people and by the people. It is upon each citizen to protect their own civil liberties not solely rely on the Military and Police force to do it for them.

    A career path shouldnt dictate who can own what type of guns. A well armed citizenry protects liberties that millions have died for and would continue to do so.

  21. The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to Homer Safari For This Useful Post:


  22. #59
    Formerly known as Talm MalTalm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Piqua, OH
    Posts
    2,139
    Thanks
    5,385
    Thanked 2,074 Times in 717 Posts

    Default Re: Jovan Belcher and Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Tornicade View Post
    Theres only one purpose for assault weapons during peace time and thats to shoot bullseye.

    Switzerland supplies these guns to their Citizens. Acountry that has no standing army yet was able to avoid invasion during both world wars.

    Assault weapons are currently a private citizens best protection and deterrent to domestic or foreign invasion.

    The US government was still made for the people and by the people. It is upon each citizen to protect their own civil liberties not solely rely on the Military and Police force to do it for them.

    A career path shouldnt dictate who can own what type of guns. A well armed citizenry protects liberties that millions have died for and would continue to do so.
    Very well said.
    I've been nothing but complementary of Weeden.
    -b00bie

  23. #60
    Cleveland Cavaliers Fan Phills14's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Chardon, OH
    Posts
    5,687
    Thanks
    3,536
    Thanked 5,574 Times in 1,928 Posts

    Default Re: Jovan Belcher and Gun Control

    Lets face it, if there is a foreign invasion any civilian weapon is useless vs an invaiding army. The use of sophisticated weapons, manned and unmanned air attacks, tanks, bombs, etc makes assault weapons look like cap guns. The same can be said if the government turned on us. So tell me why are assault weapons useful?

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •