gun control

[KI4MVP]

Too much of that goes on (reading comprehension).

"All the way back to 1999"...Yea, because 13 years ago is soooooooo long ago.

There is some great reading in this thread, but there is also some ridiculous banter - borderline laughable.

it's a heck of a lot longer ago than 3 days ago. Since the end of 2009, there have been 26 school shootings in the US with 60 deaths. There hasn't been a single school bomb incident and wasn't one for the entire prior decade either.

[KI4MVP]

I never said there were bombs in schools daily. Want to put more words in my mouth?

then how are prank threats relevant at all to the discussion?

[JiggleIt]

I don't know why gun ownership ever became a conservative vs liberal thing anyways. Doesn't really match up that closely with either party's ideologies necessarily.

You either feel safer with a gun or you don't. You either trust others with a gun or you don't. I don't feel safer with a gun and I don't trust most others with guns either and I don't identify with either party on the whole.

So stupid that it ever became a political stance either way.

In any case, I read up on Japan's regulations and I think that idealistically they'd work here. But we do have a completely different society, a more violent one. You'd have to change American society for it to work. I wish we could, but we can't.

That's not to say it isn't worth a try to make guns more difficult to obtain legally.

[b00bie]

I hate to break it to you, but that's exactly what would happen. I'm laughing at you laughing lol. It would take forever (or never) to reduce or ban guns, firstly. Secondly, criminals will still get them. Thirdly,the upstanding, law-abiding citizen doesn't get the chance to protect children (or themselves) at a time when shit hits the fan....now we wait for police to send your daughter home in a body bag. Lastly, the fact there were no fatalities in the 1 instance mentioned is fortunate.

You're the one living in a fantasy land, b00bie....a media fed, corrupted safebox where our ideologies are changing before our very eyes and we don't even see it.

I'm starting to see a pattern. Those who are alphas...and those who are pawns. IMHO, each of us can fit under 1 of those categories. I'll leave you to think.

You're quite the pawn, in fact.

Just completely if ignoring the precedent set by nations who figured out this problem long ago. Instea relying on this bullshit notion of this scary third world nation right outside your door and living your life in fear...that's so alpha!

Now you've evolved into convincing yourself that if guns were banned people would all die of bombs, because in your world those who are smart enough to fire a gun can also just as easily make a bomb.

And you know what, maybe more people would die from bombs, but if you think that would in any way rival the amount of gun deaths in this country you're absolutely kidding yourself.

[Pick6]

I don't know why gun ownership ever became a conservative vs liberal thing anyways. Doesn't really match up that closely with either party's ideologies necessarily.

You either feel safer with a gun or you don't. You either trust others with a gun or you don't. I don't feel safer with a gun and I don't trust most others with guns either and I don't identify with either party on the whole.

So stupid that it ever became a political stance either way.

In any case, I read up on Japan's regulations and I think that idealistically they'd work here. But we do have a completely different society, a more violent one. You'd have to change American society for it to work. I wish we could, but we can't.

That's not to say it isn't worth a try to make guns more difficult to obtain legally.

Japan might have guns banned or whatever. Now they just throw bombs into classrooms.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005...orldwide.japan

And use knives for mass-murders (who said knives arent deadly)?
Osaka school massacre. Armed with a kitchen knife, a 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma trespassed into Ikeda Elementary School attached to Osaka-Kyoiku University and stabbed school children and teachers. 8 children were killed and 15 wounded, among those were 13 children and two teachers.

and more stabbings:
A 17-year-old boy stabbed two teachers and a school nutritionist with a kitchen knife at his former elementary school, killing one of the teachers

and more:
23-year-old teacher Yu Hagino stabbed 12-year-old Sayano Horimoto to death at a cram school in Uji, following a verbal dispute. Yu was sentenced to 18 years in prison in March 2007

[Pick6]

You're quite the pawn, in fact.

Just completely if ignoring the precedent set by nations who figured out this problem long ago. Instea relying on this bullshit notion of this scary third world nation right outside your door and living your life in fear...that's so alpha!

Now you've evolved into convincing yourself that if guns were banned people would all die of bombs, because in your world those who are smart enough to fire a gun can also just as easily make a bomb.

And you know what, maybe more people would die from bombs, but if you think that would in any way rival the amount of gun deaths in this country you're absolutely kidding yourself.

remember, criminals and psychos follow laws, guys.

[b00bie]

Japan might have guns banned or whatever. Now they just throw bombs into classrooms.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005...orldwide.japan

And use knives for mass-murders (who said knives arent deadly)?
Osaka school massacre. Armed with a kitchen knife, a 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma trespassed into Ikeda Elementary School attached to Osaka-Kyoiku University and stabbed school children and teachers. 8 children were killed and 15 wounded, among those were 13 children and two teachers.

and more stabbings:
A 17-year-old boy stabbed two teachers and a school nutritionist with a kitchen knife at his former elementary school, killing one of the teachers

and more:
23-year-old teacher Yu Hagino stabbed 12-year-old Sayano Horimoto to death at a cram school in Uji, following a verbal dispute. Yu was sentenced to 18 years in prison in March 2007

Congrats on successfully proving that gun laws don't stop all crime.

Which nobody was arguing

[DDJ7777]

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/worsh...-threat-report

NEWTOWN, Conn. (AP) — Worshippers hurriedly left a church Sunday, saying they were told there was a bomb threat not far from the elementary school where 20 kids and six adults were massacred.

At least a dozen police in camouflage SWAT gear and carrying guns arrived at the St. Rose of Lima Church. An Associated Press photographer saw police leave carrying something in a red tarp.

Guns drawn, they surrounded the rectory across the parking lot from the main church building. A large crowd of parishioners gathered outside.

There was no official report from police about the threat or evacuation.

Shooter Adam Lanza, his mother and eight of the child victims attended St. Rose of Lima. It is a Roman Catholic Church with an adjacent school, which Lanza attended briefly.

It's not clear if there actually was a threat or if, like many tragedies, whether it was a hoax or the result of a community on edge.

The church hosted overflow crowds at all three morning masses Sunday.

[Pick6]

Congrats on successfully proving that gun laws don't stop all crime.

Which nobody was arguing

Im arguing that gun laws will not stop ANY crime. Because, remember, people murdering people are doing it with the consequences in mind.

[b00bie]

Im arguing that gun laws will not stop ANY crime. Because, remember, people murdering people are doing it with the consequences in mind.

Sure would make it less effective. Even though you're just blatantly wrong that it wouldn't reduce crime, you're trying to tell us they'd be just as effective with knives?

Guns give violent people 'big dick' syndrome. Give him a knife instead and see how ballsy or effective he is in a conflict.

You think the murder rate wouldn't drop? You're delusional.

[Pick6]

Sure would make it less effective.

You think murderers wouldnt use guns if they were harder to get legally or even illegal? If so, you are delusional.

[b00bie]

You think murderers wouldnt use guns if they were harder to get legally or even illegal? If so, you are delusional.

Would make it alot more difficult and has proven to be effective in nations who have.

A shame you're ignoring it.

[Pick6]

Would make it alot more difficult and has proven to be effective in nations who have.

A shame you're ignoring it.

You might have a point if we were actually comparing apples to apples. The UK and Japanese culture are not comparable to the United States.

[b00bie]

You might have a point if we were actually comparing apples to apples. The UK and Japanese culture are not comparable to the United States.

How is the UK not comparable?

Even with the marginal differences in our respective societies, to pretend its different to the point where were 10-15 times more violent by nature?

Please....don't patronize people. Nobody believes that tripe.

[Tornicade]

How is the UK not comparable?

Even with the marginal differences in our respective societies, to pretend its different to the point where were 10-15 times more violent by nature?

Please....don't patronize people. Nobody believes that tripe.

Marginal differences?

ive already posted major fundamental differences that you chose to ignore.

most importantly, some of guys are looking at the actuall regulations and not the major governing difference and citizen rights amongst the countries that allow those regulations to be enforceable.

population density. land size, econimics. philosophy, culture. theres some major differences.