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    I just don't see the Cavs being in contention for him. If we end up with the number one pick, it's because we ended up sliding to the 12 or 13th lottery spot to miss the playoffs and then won the lottery. Don't see us being a bottom barrel team next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhi View Post
    Or the FO decides to fill roster spots 5-15 with D-leaguers and fringe NBA players again.
    All part of the plan.

    I don't know about you guys, but I'm totally willing to bottom out next year, be the worst team in the league one last time, draft one of the four potential stars at the top of the 2014 draft, sign LeBron in the off-season, and then laugh my way to ten straight championships.

    #tankstrong2014

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    Kings/Sonic Pick will still be in our back pocket........

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    Quote Originally Posted by LNance View Post
    Kings/Sonic Pick will still be in our back pocket........
    Yeah but it will never be below 10.

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    The only way to acquire Wiggins is to trade Lebron for him. . I would also not mind trading all of our picks this year for a 2014 unprotected pick.
    When in doubt, step up the defense

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    Quote Originally Posted by mAo_mAo View Post
    The only way to acquire Wiggins is to trade Lebron for him. . I would also not mind trading all of our picks this year for a 2014 unprotected pick.
    No one will do that, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theSTEREO. View Post
    I just don't see the Cavs being in contention for him. If we end up with the number one pick, it's because we ended up sliding to the 12 or 13th lottery spot to miss the playoffs and then won the lottery. Don't see us being a bottom barrel team next year.
    The same exact thing could be said last year about this year.

    Until we are ready to make our HUGE jump, I want nothing to do with being a 34-44 win team.

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    Article is from a Bobcats beat writter but has implications for all teams in the lottery.

    This is another reason why we have to be in play for the 2014 class.

    Two longtime scouts who work for teams likely to have a top 10 pick believe that the Charlotte Bobcats should trade their 2013 draft pick, which promises to be a high selection once again.

    “I don’t think this is a good draft,” said one scout. “This is the year you should consider trading your draft pick – no matter where it is.”

    It appears unlikely that any lottery-bound team in the upcoming draft will find a franchise difference maker.

    “The draft lottery was always supposed to be about exceptional players going to the worst teams,” said one of the scouts. “We’ve eroded the concept of ‘exceptional’ – exceptional doesn’t really exist anymore.”
    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...e-bobcats.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhi View Post
    Article is from a Bobcats beat writter but has implications for all teams in the lottery.

    This is another reason why we have to be in play for the 2014 class.


    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...e-bobcats.html
    I just don't buy the whole "weak draft" argument all the time. There are always players to be had somewhere. People said 2011 was the worst draft in a decade and a half, and we walked away with a future top 5-10 player and another who is starting to look like a high value pick.

    Plus, for 2 years, all we heard about was the vaunted 2012 draft class and how amazing it was, and then about a month out everyone started changing their tune and said everyone after Davis was likely a role player. Years leading up to that draft, Barnes was supposed to be the next Kobe, Sullinger was supposed to be a potential #1, and Drummond was supposed to be the next Dwight. Come draft day, Barnes is a decent starter on a good team, Sullinger is struggling, and while Drummond looks good now, his stock was so low he slipped to 9th.

    There's no such thing as a sure draft class. No guarantees either year, except these two things: someone's probably gonna walk away with a 2013 pick that's unbelieveable, and a bunch of people are probably gonna walk away from 2014 disappointed. Happens every year.

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    I just don't buy the whole "weak draft" argument all the time. There are always players to be had somewhere. People said 2011 was the worst draft in a decade and a half, and we walked away with a future top 5-10 player and another who is starting to look like a high value pick.

    Plus, for 2 years, all we heard about was the vaunted 2012 draft class and how amazing it was, and then about a month out everyone started changing their tune and said everyone after Davis was likely a role player. Years leading up to that draft, Barnes was supposed to be the next Kobe, Sullinger was supposed to be a potential #1, and Drummond was supposed to be the next Dwight. Come draft day, Barnes is a decent starter on a good team, Sullinger is struggling, and while Drummond looks good now, his stock was so low he slipped to 9th.

    There's no such thing as a sure draft class. No guarantees either year, except these two things: someone's probably gonna walk away with a 2013 pick that's unbelieveable, and a bunch of people are probably gonna walk away from 2014 disappointed. Happens every year.
    Agreed.

    I actually like the 2013 class a lot, at least the top five or so. I think Noel is going to be a fantastic pro player, and unlike Anthony Davis we wouldn't have to stare at an ass-ugly face for 82+ games if we drafted Noel (seriously dude...shave the brow). I also really like Muhammad and Len. If we can somehow get one (or two!) of those guys, I'd be ecstatic.

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    For anyone who wants to get a better look at Wiggins, this youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/TheBaske.../videos?view=0 has tons of full Huntington Prep games. It may be easier to just search for "huntington prep 1" and find them that way given the amount of other games he has posted. With that said, the more I watch Wiggins, the more I think he's going to ultimately fall short of his current expectations.

    The channel has much more than just games of Wiggins (I think there's a few in there of Noel, Shabazz, etc), however I couldn't find any from Jabrari/Randle/other top players out of 2014 off quick glance. We're far from having to worry about the 2014 prospects, and frankly I'd be disappointed if we're in play for another top pick in 2014, but for anyone interested (who doesn't already watch them on ESPN3), the channel may be worth checking out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theSTEREO. View Post
    I just don't buy the whole "weak draft" argument all the time. There are always players to be had somewhere. People said 2011 was the worst draft in a decade and a half, and we walked away with a future top 5-10 player and another who is starting to look like a high value pick.

    Plus, for 2 years, all we heard about was the vaunted 2012 draft class and how amazing it was, and then about a month out everyone started changing their tune and said everyone after Davis was likely a role player. Years leading up to that draft, Barnes was supposed to be the next Kobe, Sullinger was supposed to be a potential #1, and Drummond was supposed to be the next Dwight. Come draft day, Barnes is a decent starter on a good team, Sullinger is struggling, and while Drummond looks good now, his stock was so low he slipped to 9th.

    There's no such thing as a sure draft class. No guarantees either year, except these two things: someone's probably gonna walk away with a 2013 pick that's unbelieveable, and a bunch of people are probably gonna walk away from 2014 disappointed. Happens every year.
    Can't thank this post enough, STEREO.

    And I now can't help but take a trip down memory lane in reaction to it.

    In 2010, Barnes was basically what Wiggins is today. I mean, he was as can't-miss as it gets. And while he may not have been AS lauded as having off-the-charts athleticism, he was still thought of as elite, but with an advanced skill set and basketball IQ that was subject to "never before seen at this age" hyperbole.

    Like you said, 2011 was supposed to be just the most abysmal draft in the history of drafting, what with the lockout uncertainty keeping so many "top" prospects in school. There were only two real sure-fire starters, but not stars, at the top. Sullinger, PJIII, and Barnes, even after a disappointing freshman year compared to the hype, were surefire top 10 or better locks until they left NBA teams with even less to choose from. Well, 2011 really was pretty bad, but the first overall pick has been incredibly good so far in his young career. Still, though, it's too bad we had to pick a PG with Rivers coming out next year...

    Yes, while discussing 2011 as a down year, most were talking about 2012 as the real horn-of-plenty in terms of talent. The hold-overs from 2011 would be at the top of the draft still, but this draft would also likely see Austin Rivers come out, the only real competition for Drummond as the number one overall pick. That beanpole Davis had a chance to be special, too, but Drummond had everything basketball-wise on top of being built like an enormous man as just a boy. And Rivers' understanding of the game (he's Doc's son!), along with his size as a PG and absolutely unstoppable ability to get to the rack, was going to make him hard to pass up. Then, as the draft approaches, we see that Barnes still isn't playing like the Black Falcon Mamba he was billed to be, Rivers is wildly inconsistent and really more of an undersized gunner SG, Drummond may not know how to play basketball, and Sullinger and PJIII are late 1st round flyers.

    Now in 2013, Shabazz has been the most recent to see his stock go from future HOFer while in high school to probably very good, but not a star, as a prospect in the upcoming draft. Noel was another high school phenom, yet now this draft is commonly referred to as having no stars. Oh, and Steven Adams was formerly thought of as maybe THE headliner for this "year of the center."

    So I guess just wake me up when Jabari Parker, the former next big thing, and Wiggins, who stole his crown from the top of the backboard and left four quarters in its place, actually play a college basketball game, because I refuse to let myself be fooled for the gazillionth time in buying into the hype for the next whoever based on youtube high school highlights.

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    For all the people drooling over Wiggins and Parker, many insiders think Jhalil Okafor is playing the best asketball in High school right now
    SPRINGFIELD -- For the first few minutes, the crowd Blake Arena waited with baited breath for that moment when Jahlil Okafor, the No. 2 player in the class of 2014, would bring the house down. Just moments into the first quarter, Okafor obliged by throwing down one of his five thunderous slams on Day 3 of the 2013 Spalding Hoophall Classic.

    Whitney Young's (Ill.) star center had the biggest performance of the tournament with 26 points, seven rebounds and three blocks while shooting an efficient 13-for-17 from the field. Following the game, teammates and coaches alike gave Okafor a ringing endorsement and said -- emphatically -- that the No. 2 ranking is too low.

    "Jahlil, I feel like, is the best player in the nation," said Paul White, Okafor's teammate. "Nobody can guard him one-on-one. So when that double team or triple team does come it definitely opens it up."

    His coach, Tyrone Slaughter, shared that sentiment.

    "I know that [Okafor is the best player], he's talking about what he thinks, I'll talk about what I know," Slaughter said. "If you have to stick him one-on-one there is no one person who can do it. Other good players in this country you can defend them one-on-one, the people that are in the conversation they have been defended one-on-one. There is no one individual that can defend him one-on-one.

    "Fundamentally, I can say without equivocation that he is the best player in the nation."

    A product of the competitive Chicago basketball scene, Okafor has developed a tough, back-to-the-basket game that has few equals in this era of basketball. While many post players are straying from the paint, Okafor owns it.

    Okafor is so talented and so feared that he actually draws defenders away from Whitney Young's talented wing players Paul White and L.J. Peak -- two top 60 players in the class of 2014. Okafor managed two assists while passing out of double teams and his passing is an underrated part of a game with few holes.

    "We would like to see him block more shots," said Slaughter of where he can improve. "We'd like to see him rebound out of the area more, but to his defense the reason why that doesn't happen to the extent we'd like to see it is because he plays extended minutes... so we take some of the good with the bad."

    More than anything -- more than the minutes or the the points or the rebounds -- Okafor is a calming, steadying force for Whitney Young. Whenever they need a stop or a basket they know that Okafor will come through for them.

    And that is why he is considered "without equivocation" the best player in the country by his coach and teammate

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    Every time I watch Wiggins I come away thinking he's a badly overrated athlete. Not seeing elite quickness at all. He moves like Harrison Barnes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shack View Post
    Every time I watch Wiggins I come away thinking he's a badly overrated athlete. Not seeing elite quickness at all. He moves like Harrison Barnes
    While I completely agree with narbar's sentiments, and the notion that prospects get hyped to entirely unrealistic and nearly mythical proportions before they enter college, this is moving too far in the other direction and is inaccurate. Wiggins does not move like Barnes. His quickness is elite (granted, we see him against other high school kids) and far superior to the quickness of Barnes. I will say, however, that comments like Chad Ford's regarding Wiggins - that he has the potential to be McGrady with motor - are a bit over the top. A McGrady in his prime and free of injury, but with motor, would likely have semblance to Michael Jordan.

    Overall, it can be said that Wiggins, nor any other prospect, should dramatically alter the course of action an organization takes in team building when he is not even in the upcoming draft.

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