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    Default Re: Shurmur and Heckert fired (ESPN)

    If Cleveland comes out and wins, it's not going to matter what anyone else thinks.

    I'm also a firm believer that surroundings matter greatly. Is Cleveland the "perfect storm" for a guy like Vick? I don't know.....but you have to question it.
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    Default Re: Shurmur and Heckert fired (ESPN)

    Can we stop bringing Vick up in multiple threads?

    Take all the Vick convo here:

    http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.p...l-Vick-in-2013

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