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    Default The House fails Hurricane Sandy victims

    how can it be that this wasn't taken care of already?

    Lawmakers on both sides slammed House Republican leaders Wednesday for failing to vote on a bill that would have provided billions of dollars in aid to victims of Superstorm Sandy.

    "The Republican Party has said it's the party of 'family values.' Last night, it turned its back on the most essential value of all, and that's to provide food, shelter, clothing and relief for people who have been hit by a natural disaster," Rep. Peter King, a New York Republican, said in an interview with CNN.

    "Anyone from New York or New Jersey who contributes one penny to the Republican Congressional Campaign Committee should have their head examined," King said. It's very rare for a lawmaker to call on anyone not to support his own party.

    President Barack Obama urged the House GOP leadership to hold a vote Wednesday -- the final full day of the current Congress. At noon Thursday, a new Congress will be sworn in, and will have to start from scratch in passing any legislation.

    "It has only been two months since Hurricane Sandy devastated communities across New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut as well as other eastern states. Our citizens are still trying to put their lives back together," Obama said in a statement.

    Noting that the Senate passed the aid package with bipartisan support, Obama said the House "has refused to act," even as some families need support immediately "with the bulk of winter still in front of us."

    "When tragedy strikes, Americans come together to support those in need. I urge Republicans in the House of Representatives to do the same, bring this important request to a vote today, and pass it without delay for our fellow Americans," Obama said.

    New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, a Republican, issued a joint statement saying the "continued inaction and indifference by the House of Representatives is inexcusable."

    The aid package put forward by Obama is a "responsible" proposal, the governors said. "This failure to come to the aid of Americans following a severe and devastating natural disaster is unprecedented. The fact that days continue to go by while people suffer, families are out of their homes, and men and women remain jobless and struggling during these harsh winter months is a dereliction of duty.

    "When American citizens are in need we come to their aid. That tradition was abandoned in the House last night. The people of our states can no longer afford to wait while politicians in Washington play games."
    Some of the harshest comments came from King.

    "There are a number of Republicans who maybe can kiss their seat goodbye ... because of what was done to them," he said, pointing fingers at House leadership for putting GOP lawmakers in the region stricken by Sandy in jeopardy. "If you can't provide the most basic assistance for your district, who needs you in Congress?"

    He added that while Republican leaders talk about the party having an image problem, "this is a reality problem they have."

    King put the blame squarely on House Speaker John Boehner. The No. 2 Republican in the House, Majority Leader Eric Cantor, had guaranteed a vote on the the $60.4 billion package, King said.

    He added that he was chasing Boehner "all over the House last night" and that Boehner had said everything would be taken care of after the vote on the fiscal cliff. But Boehner left.

    "He wouldn't tell us why. He just decided to sneak off in the dark of night."

    King called the House leadership's move a "knife in the back."


    Boehner did not immediately respond publicly to King's assertions.

    But a senior GOP leadership aide said Boehner will make the package "his first priority in the new Congress," which begins its term Thursday.

    When a new Congress begins, both chambers have to begin from scratch with legislation, so the Senate's passage of a previous bill will be moot.

    Michael Steel, Boehner's spokesman, said the speaker is "committed to getting this bill passed this month."

    House Appropriations Chairman Hal Rogers, R-Kentucky, said some aid will be approved in the next Congress.

    "FEMA has plenty of money, there's no immediate needs," he said, referring to the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

    "FEMA has enough money to last until at least late February-March anyway."

    King, in the CNN interview, said Rogers "doesn't know what he's talking about."

    "The FEMA money is not going to rebuild businesses, that's not going to provide food and shelter, and it's not going to reimburse the local governments," he said.

    The tumultuous process of getting the fiscal cliff deal passed in the House undoubtedly held up the relief measure, and many conservative House Republicans opposed the size of the Senate bill.

    Some said there were many unrelated provisions in it for items that were not emergency needs.

    "Leadership was all-consumed with the cliff procedure," Rogers told reporters off the House floor late Tuesday. "And they really have not had the time to devote to this because of that."

    Up until Tuesday night, GOP leaders were working toward a plan of splitting up the vote into two measures -- one providing $27 billion for immediate needs, and another amendment offering $33 billion for longer-term recovery efforts.

    Rogers said he was ready to move his scaled-back bill, but did not give a timetable for the vote in the next Congress.

    Sandy killed at least 113 people in the U.S. and left millions of people without power after running up the East Coast in late October. The storm hit hardest in New York and New Jersey.

    Gov. Cuomo has put storm-related costs at $41.9 billion, while Gov. Christie has estimated a price tag of $36.8 billion.

    The bill includes grant funding for owners of homes and businesses, as well as funding for public improvement projects on the electric grid, hospitals and transit systems to prevent damage from future storms.

    Christie goes to Washington

    "I've been a Member of Congress since 1989 and I have never been angrier than I am right now," Rep. Eliot Engel, D-New York, said in a statement.

    "I cannot believe Republican Leadership has forgotten the main purpose of public service -- to protect and help the American people."

    Rep. Nita Lowey, also a New York Democrat, called the move by House Republican leadership "irresponsible and inexcusable."

    "Dysfunction in this chamber should not punish victims of Sandy all over again," she wrote on Facebook.

    "Just when we avoided one cliff, the House Republicans threw us over another," said Rep. Steve Israel of New York, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. "We rushed to aid in Kabul and Baghdad when they had damage, but when it comes to aid to New York and New Jersey, the House Republican leadership decided we weren't worth it. It is indefensible."

    Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, called on House leaders to reverse their decision and vote before the current Congress' term ends at noon Thursday.

    Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-New York, gave out the number for the Capitol switchboard and encouraged people to call and appeal to GOP leaders.
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    Default Re: The House fails Hurricane Sandy victims

    'Merica, fuck yeah.
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    Default Re: The House fails Hurricane Sandy victims

    In before "But Obama was on vacation"

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    How is it that insurance companies project totat costs for them to be between $20-25b for Sandy, but the government needs to pass $60b in emergency funding? Read the bill and see where so much of it has no direct correlation to the actual damage by the storm. Hey, we always thought of doing this but didn't have the money, so let's tack it on to the hurricane bill. The problem isn't the want or need to help, as can be seen when individual items are spelled out ... $2m here, $5m there. We know where those funds are going. The problem is these block grants of $.5b or $3b or $10b to a whole federal agency where there is very little accountability.

    When you add it up, the Department of Transportation gets almost $11B which "up to $5,383 million (looks better on paper than $5.3 billion) may be transferred to other agencies at the Department of Transportation to support mitigation projects in other modes of transportation". The Coast Guard gets almost $250m. $100m for repairing HeadStart centers, which sounds good ... until you read it is also for "and other supplemental costs associated with continuing services to affected children" which could amount to almost anything. Over $300,000 per each of the 265 HeadStart centers. $1/3B for Amtrak. $17B to HUD.

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    Default Re: The House fails Hurricane Sandy victims

    New Jersey estimated their total cost of recovery at $36.9 billion and gives a detailed breakdown here:

    http://www.state.nj.us/governor/news...20121128e.html

    New York estimated their total cost of recovery at $42 billion and gives a detailed breakdown here:

    http://www.governor.ny.gov/press/112...mageassessment

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    Default Re: The House fails Hurricane Sandy victims

    Quote Originally Posted by KI4MVP View Post
    New Jersey estimated their total cost of recovery at $36.9 billion and gives a detailed breakdown here:

    http://www.state.nj.us/governor/news...20121128e.html

    New York estimated their total cost of recovery at $42 billion and gives a detailed breakdown here:

    http://www.governor.ny.gov/press/112...mageassessment
    Subtracting the over $16.5 billion in mitigation and future prevention from that as this is an emergency response package, can the MTA justify $5 billion in expenses related to the storm? Looking at the NY spreadsheet, why does Westchester county not need any major funding ($527m total) compared to Nassau county (6.6b total), but they need almost as much ($400m compared to $427m) in business funding? Why does NJ need $5.5b for parks and environment, but NY only needs $793m? I understand areas are devastated differently and have been through hurricanes in Florida. Why did NJ only request $2.6m for schools in the state?

    How much of this is already being paid by the private sector and insurance? It is always easier to over estimate and ask for more money, especially when it won't be yours that is being spent. We had a guy last week who was travelling and his bag was damaged. How much would it cost to replace? He said $312. I told him to send me a link for the bag and I would buy it online and send him a new one to his hotel. He said he would buy it on his own. When I asked for a receipt so i could cut him a check today, it suddenly only cost $135.

    Do I think there was a tremendous amount of damage, yes. Do I want to help those who are in need, absolutely. Do I think there should be accountability in making sure the damages are just and not based on what some government official says is needed and doesn't go into some general fund, no doubt in my mind.

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    Liberals are always generous with other people's money, especially when that money comes from a nebulous source like "the government" or "the taxpayers". Who gives a shit whether the numbers are accurate, and how dare you demand any kind of accountability!? If you don't give, give, give immediately without questioning then you're an evil bastard who hates childen, the elderly, hurricane victims, [insert your own "helpless" group here].
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    Default Re: The House fails Hurricane Sandy victims

    Christie's a liberal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cratylus View Post
    Liberals are always generous with other people's money, especially when that money comes from a nebulous source like "the government" or "the taxpayers". Who gives a shit whether the numbers are accurate, and how dare you demand any kind of accountability!? If you don't give, give, give immediately without questioning then you're an evil bastard who hates childen, the elderly, hurricane victims, [insert your own "helpless" group here].
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cratylus View Post
    Liberals are always generous with other people's money, especially when that money comes from a nebulous source like "the government" or "the taxpayers". Who gives a shit whether the numbers are accurate, and how dare you demand any kind of accountability!? If you don't give, give, give immediately without questioning then you're an evil bastard who hates childen, the elderly, hurricane victims, [insert your own "helpless" group here].
    after the last 2 hurricanes with major impacts there was emergency funding passed 40 and 60 days after the hurricane hit. this one is now at 90 days and counting, and unlike the other two specifically helps north east (democratic) states. maybe its coincidence, maybe the house just forgot to vote on it or something, however it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out there are a lot of people that still need help and as of right now the the speaker of the house has done shit to help.

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    to followup on what bob posted

    In the 10 days after Hurricane Katrina made landfall in Louisiana, the Republican-controlled Congress approved two bills providing $62.3 billion in emergency funding, and President George W. Bush immediately signed them into law.

    Here’s how the timing breaks down:

    Katrina made landfall Aug. 29, 2005, near Buras, La., and continued north toward New Orleans, leaving about 80 percent of the city flooded, according to a report from the National Hurricane Center.

    On Sept. 2, 2005, Congress passed a bill to provide $10.5 billion in emergency funding for disaster relief related to Hurricane Katrina. Then, on Sept. 8, 2005, Congress passed another bill for an additional $51.8 billion in emergency appropriations.
    https://www.google.com/search?client...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    It only took 4 days to start sending federal aid.
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    Pete King is a joke. The man, not 24 hours earlier, was saying things like posted above about Boehner stabbing him in the back. He then votes for John Boehner to be speaker of the House. Political grandstanding at its finest. Don't take the bait.
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