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    Default Cavs: Quiet Trade Deadline (Lloyd/ABJ)

    From Jason Lloyd:

    Varejao’s surgery could make for a quiet trade deadline for Cavaliers
    Published: January 12, 2013 - 09:56 PM

    LOS ANGELES: So now what?

    Now that Anderson Varejao is home recovering from yet another surgery, the Cavs’ trade-deadline options appear limited. They have made a deal at the deadline each of the last three years and four of the last five, but that streak is in jeopardy now that Varejao could miss two months while recovering from a split quadriceps muscle.

    He was easily the most appealing trade chip on the roster and the one who could net the most in a deal (forget Kyrie Irving, who is essentially untouchable). Varejao sparked debates within the organization in recent months over whether to deal him or hold onto him in hopes of a future return to contention.

    This latest injury answered that question for them. It will be incredibly difficult to deal him now since he most likely will be sidelined when the Feb. 21 trade deadline passes. He certainly doesn’t possess the same value he had only a few weeks ago and this makes three consecutive seasons he has endured significant surgeries and missed substantial time prior to the trade deadline.

    With Varejao now removed from the equation, various front office executives around the league polled this week believe the Cavs’ plan will remain unchanged. They have tried unsuccessfully for three years to rent their cap space to another team willing to give up a first-round pick in an effort to shed an unwanted contract, and that will continue to be the plan for the next month. They have Luke Walton’s $6 million expiring contract and about $10 million in cap space to shop as a few teams around the league begin scrambling to avoid the league’s stiffer cap penalties. The Cavs’ parameters, however, are a little more complex than they were the last couple of years. With the summer of 2014 quickly approaching, the length of a contract the Cavs will absorb is now limited.

    Executives and agents around the league are convinced the Cavaliers won’t do anything to jeopardize their ability to sign a free agent to a max contract during the summer of 2014,
    when LeBron James can again become a free agent. As fans in Northeast Ohio continue to howl and remain divided about the possibility of his return, more and more people around the league believe there is a strong possibility James will indeed return to Cleveland after next season.

    The Cavs are well aware of this, too, and won’t take on a bad contract if it compromises their cap space in two years. That means any bad contract they would obtain in a potential trade would have to expire after next season. It doesn’t make a deal impossible, but it dramatically reduces the field — and it decreases the price the Cavs can command since their future obligations would be brief.

    The Cavs previously tried this method using the $14.5 million trade exception originally obtained in the deal that sent James to Miami, but ultimately let it expire because they couldn’t find a deal to their liking.

    The amnesty clause has also hindered their chances of making a deal. While teams still have to pay players waived under the amnesty clause, it has removed a heavy cap burden from teams while allowing them to preserve draft picks.

    All of this means for the first time since 2009, the Cavs will likely let the trade deadline pass quietly. They obtained Antawn Jamison at the deadline three years ago when they were the best team in the East, flipped Mo Williams in the deal that ultimately brought Irving to Cleveland two years ago and last year traded Ramon Sessions to the Lakers on deadline day. Five years ago, they pulled off a blockbuster three-team, 11-player deal one minute prior to the deadline that dramatically reshaped their roster. Don’t expect anything like that this year.

    Critics have argued the Cavs should’ve dealt Varejao a few weeks ago when he was enjoying a streak of 10 consecutive double-doubles, leading the NBA in rebounding and emerging as one of the league’s best post players.

    The Cavs certainly could’ve dealt him a month ago, but believe teams only get really serious with their trade offers twice a year: at the draft and at the trade deadline. There was a strong possibility the Cavs would’ve held onto Varejao through the trade deadline even without this latest injury, but felt they at least needed to keep him until the deadline to maximize the offers.

    One rival front office executive said this week he believes the Cavs will play .500 over February, March and April and eventually land somewhere around eighth in the draft. They’ll add two more first-round picks this summer and take a peek at free agency, then sit back and hope the two new rookies will blend with the growing nucleus of Irving, Dion Waiters, Tristan Thompson and Tyler Zeller to make the Cavs a playoff contender next season.

    It may not be splashy or sexy, but it’s the path this front office committed to in the weeks after James left and they aren’t changing course now — even if it means the phones inside the Cleveland Clinic Courts will be a little quieter in the coming weeks.


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    I have no problem not adding to the team for no reason. However, that 2014 deadline is real firm in a lot of people's minds. They need to attempt to win from next year on. This is the last tank job or there going to tart doing damage to their fan base. Several talented people are available in 2014, attempt hard to get one or two. They need to switch to a winning mentality as soon as this season is over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggeder View Post
    I have no problem not adding to the team for no reason. However, that 2014 deadline is real firm in a lot of people's minds. They need to attempt to win from next year on. This is the last tank job or there going to tart doing damage to their fan base. Several talented people are available in 2014, attempt hard to get one or two. They need to switch to a winning mentality as soon as this season is over.
    Who cares about the fan base? They'll literally immediately return as soon as this team is in the playoffs again. If we tank one more year in an attempt to get a top pick in the loaded 2014 draft plus a shot at LeBron, I'll live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Brickman View Post
    Who cares about the fan base? They'll literally immediately return as soon as this team is in the playoffs again. If we tank one more year in an attempt to get a top pick in the loaded 2014 draft plus a shot at LeBron, I'll live.
    Did they tell you that?



    That's not how it works in the NBA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wuck View Post
    From Jason Lloyd:

    Varejao’s surgery could make for a quiet trade deadline for Cavaliers
    Published: January 12, 2013 - 09:56 PM

    LOS ANGELES: So now what?

    Now that Anderson Varejao is home recovering from yet another surgery, the Cavs’ trade-deadline options appear limited. They have made a deal at the deadline each of the last three years and four of the last five, but that streak is in jeopardy now that Varejao could miss two months while recovering from a split quadriceps muscle.

    He was easily the most appealing trade chip on the roster and the one who could net the most in a deal (forget Kyrie Irving, who is essentially untouchable). Varejao sparked debates within the organization in recent months over whether to deal him or hold onto him in hopes of a future return to contention.

    This latest injury answered that question for them. It will be incredibly difficult to deal him now since he most likely will be sidelined when the Feb. 21 trade deadline passes. He certainly doesn’t possess the same value he had only a few weeks ago and this makes three consecutive seasons he has endured significant surgeries and missed substantial time prior to the trade deadline.

    With Varejao now removed from the equation, various front office executives around the league polled this week believe the Cavs’ plan will remain unchanged. They have tried unsuccessfully for three years to rent their cap space to another team willing to give up a first-round pick in an effort to shed an unwanted contract, and that will continue to be the plan for the next month. They have Luke Walton’s $6 million expiring contract and about $10 million in cap space to shop as a few teams around the league begin scrambling to avoid the league’s stiffer cap penalties. The Cavs’ parameters, however, are a little more complex than they were the last couple of years. With the summer of 2014 quickly approaching, the length of a contract the Cavs will absorb is now limited.

    Executives and agents around the league are convinced the Cavaliers won’t do anything to jeopardize their ability to sign a free agent to a max contract during the summer of 2014,
    when LeBron James can again become a free agent. As fans in Northeast Ohio continue to howl and remain divided about the possibility of his return, more and more people around the league believe there is a strong possibility James will indeed return to Cleveland after next season.

    The Cavs are well aware of this, too, and won’t take on a bad contract if it compromises their cap space in two years. That means any bad contract they would obtain in a potential trade would have to expire after next season. It doesn’t make a deal impossible, but it dramatically reduces the field — and it decreases the price the Cavs can command since their future obligations would be brief.

    The Cavs previously tried this method using the $14.5 million trade exception originally obtained in the deal that sent James to Miami, but ultimately let it expire because they couldn’t find a deal to their liking.

    The amnesty clause has also hindered their chances of making a deal. While teams still have to pay players waived under the amnesty clause, it has removed a heavy cap burden from teams while allowing them to preserve draft picks.

    All of this means for the first time since 2009, the Cavs will likely let the trade deadline pass quietly. They obtained Antawn Jamison at the deadline three years ago when they were the best team in the East, flipped Mo Williams in the deal that ultimately brought Irving to Cleveland two years ago and last year traded Ramon Sessions to the Lakers on deadline day. Five years ago, they pulled off a blockbuster three-team, 11-player deal one minute prior to the deadline that dramatically reshaped their roster. Don’t expect anything like that this year.

    Critics have argued the Cavs should’ve dealt Varejao a few weeks ago when he was enjoying a streak of 10 consecutive double-doubles, leading the NBA in rebounding and emerging as one of the league’s best post players.

    The Cavs certainly could’ve dealt him a month ago, but believe teams only get really serious with their trade offers twice a year: at the draft and at the trade deadline. There was a strong possibility the Cavs would’ve held onto Varejao through the trade deadline even without this latest injury, but felt they at least needed to keep him until the deadline to maximize the offers.

    One rival front office executive said this week he believes the Cavs will play .500 over February, March and April and eventually land somewhere around eighth in the draft. They’ll add two more first-round picks this summer and take a peek at free agency, then sit back and hope the two new rookies will blend with the growing nucleus of Irving, Dion Waiters, Tristan Thompson and Tyler Zeller to make the Cavs a playoff contender next season.

    It may not be splashy or sexy, but it’s the path this front office committed to in the weeks after James left and they aren’t changing course now — even if it means the phones inside the Cleveland Clinic Courts will be a little quieter in the coming weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hefner_Deezy View Post
    Did they tell you that?



    That's not how it works in the NBA.
    a lot of people i talked to already forgot that just 3 years ago were perenial "best team in the east, possibly NBA" like every season. People forget quickly when they are constantly reminded by how much we suck, whether or not we do it on purpose (the tank is strong), the average fan only looks at the record in the end. until draft night lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hefner_Deezy View Post
    Did they tell you that?



    That's not how it works in the NBA.
    Cleveland would pack the Q if the Cavs were back in contention. There's no question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrich91 View Post
    Cleveland would pack the Q if the Cavs were back in contention. There's no question.


    The franchise has had long stretches of non-winning and non-playoff years and the fans have come back when they have been good and if the Cavaliers return to being a 55+ win team and a threat to win the championship and fans dont show up because they believe "it took too long" then shame on Cleveland fans.
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    So are we really still building our team for LeBron just to get screwed again? Gosh, I hope not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wuck View Post
    As fans in Northeast Ohio continue to howl and remain divided about the possibility of his return, more and more people around the league believe there is a strong possibility James will indeed return to Cleveland after next season.
    LeBron coming back is turning into the worst kept secret in the league. No doubt on purpose. Both sides have reasons to prepare fans.

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    Horrible idea if they're really working from a perspective of keeping cap space available for LeBron in two years. The guy is not coming back and if they're holding themselves hostage to that pipe dream, then they're going to be severely disappointed.

    In any case, I don't think there's really anyone out there that's worth tying cap space up over anyways.

    This whole LeBron is coming back thing is so stupid and such a waste of emotional energy for people allowing themselves to get tied up in it. From a competitive standpoint, there's just no reason for it to happen based on what the team is composed of at the moment. It they were to obtain an ELITE quality big in this next draft, then they might put themselves in a situation where competitively they could be a more difficult situation to just pass over.

    But in the meantime, this talk is asinine.

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    2014 is not just the year of Lebron. It's also a great year of free agents in general, as well as when the new, stricter cap/tax penalties will come into play (thus making it possible we can package cap space + picks for very good players that teams need to dump to save $, or swap our cap space for a shitty contract + very high pick, etc.). The Cavs maintaining flexibility for 2014 is a smart plan, not just a hopeless, all-or-nothing shot at getting LBJ to return (even if that's their plan/hope #1, which we don't even know is the case).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydroponic3385 View Post
    2014 is not just the year of Lebron. It's also a great year of free agents in general, as well as when the new, stricter cap/tax penalties will come into play (thus making it possible we can package cap space + picks for very good players that teams need to dump to save $, or swap our cap space for a shitty contract + very high pick, etc.). The Cavs maintaining flexibility for 2014 is a smart plan, not just a hopeless, all-or-nothing shot at getting LBJ to return (even if that's their plan/hope #1, which we don't even know is the case).
    Ya, this is the mentaility I'm taking with 2014. There's nothing wrong with having the money there. People can focus on LeBron all they want, but the money will be there regardless, and we will(hopefully) be in a position to put it to use. By that time, one would like to think this team's path is clear and a guy that fills that cap out will be the icing on the cake that puts at or very near that contender status.

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    2014 is also our last chance to sign somebody before Kyre & Tristan's new contracts kick in.

    DG says he's willing to spend whatever it takes, but it'll be interesting if that's still the case when faced with the new luxury tax penalties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    2014 is also our last chance to sign somebody before Kyre & Tristan's new contracts kick in.

    DG says he's willing to spend whatever it takes, but it'll be interesting if that's still the case when faced with the new luxury tax penalties.
    It will also being interesting to see how it plays out from the other end of the spectrum, as well. From the player's perspective, there will have to be some tough decisions, especially from the top FA's, on where they sign and for how much. It may often end up being the case that the teams with the most money to offer may be in the lower echelon record wise. Many of the best teams are going to have sell the fact that winning means so much more than the almighty dollar. That's a tough sell in today's world, imo.

    With less owners wanting to go into the luxury, and an even smaller percentage of those wanting to be hit with the multi-offender tax, the landscape of FA is about to change dramatically.

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