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    Default Re: 2013 NFL Free Agency: Browns

    Quote Originally Posted by b00bie View Post
    Of course, this point would be moot if...you know...Weeden looked capable.
    Weeden didn't have all that bad of a rookie year, it just looked a lot worse because this was an absolutely freakish class of rookie QBs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triplethreat View Post
    If Weeden doesn't look capable at all to you, then it's clear that you just have a pretty solid agenda to the guy. Because he definitely has the abilities and and fan can see that on the field.
    AKA arm strength and random awesome throws scattered in amongst the rubble. I'd love to hear an argument for Weeden that didn't revolve around his arm talent because you can argue nearly every other aspect of quarterbacking as a current weakness for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectre View Post
    AKA arm strength and random awesome throws scattered in amongst the rubble. I'd love to hear an argument for Weeden that didn't revolve around his arm talent because you can argue nearly every other aspect of quarterbacking as a current weakness for him.
    yes well when you take a QB that has done nothing but play out of the shot gun, make long throws, play at a fast tempo, and do nothing but attack the defense then put him behind center, with no rushing game, force him to be patient and make dink and duck passes.... it may take a little while to adjust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theshad View Post
    Weeden didn't have all that bad of a rookie year, it just looked a lot worse because this was an absolutely freakish class of rookie QBs.
    He graded out poorly in just about every statistical category.

    There's a difference between being somewhat more capable than past browns QBs and actually being good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob2the2nd View Post
    yes well when you take a QB that has done nothing but play out of the shot gun, make long throws, play at a fast tempo, and do nothing but attack the defense then put him behind center, with no rushing game, force him to be patient and make dink and duck passes.... it may take a little while to adjust.
    Don't forget about not being allowed to audible. I still can't believe Shurmer refused to allow him to do that. Imagine Peyton Manning not being allowed to audible. Ridiculous. Anyways, as I have mentioned before, the offense that Weeden ran in college had him making audible adjustments based off the defensive set at the beginning of every play. He excelled at it. He comes to the NFL and everything is run half ass backwards. Nothing is run in a manner to maximize his strengths. No adjustments are made to fit his skills. I want to see how he does this year with some competent coaches and proper offensive schemes.

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    Putting Weeden into the WCO was putting a square peg into a round hole in every aspect.

    Notice how the Colts, 'Skins, and Seahawks all adjusted their offense to their quarterback?

    Give Weeden a shot in an offense that will put him into a position to succeed. It beats the alternative of overpaying for a quarterback that got benched 3 games away from the playoffs.


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    Lets get away from the QB talk for a posts. Who are the top linebackers available via FA?
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    Here's an article from Rotoworld mentioned 3-4 "Rush Linebackers" and who's best available

    6. Rush Linebacker

    "Rush linebacker" is traditionally associated with 3-4 defenses. As the 3-4 becomes more and more prevalent, we need to consider "rush 'backer" its own position rather than grouping it in with defensive ends or outside linebackers.

    Paul Kruger, 27, was the Super Bowl champions' best pass rusher for the duration of the 2012-2013 season and is arguably the premier prize of free agency. He's going to rake in a ton of money. Anthony Spencer, 29, was always a stud edge-setting run defender before breaking out with 11 sacks this past year. He outplayed future Hall of Famer DeMarcus Ware. Connor Barwin, 26, registered 11.5 sacks in 2011 before crashing back to Earth with three in 2012. Barwin is not an explosive outside-edge rush 'backer and is a candidate to get overpaid on the open market.

    Shaun Phillips, 31, Antwan Barnes, 28, and Victor Butler, 25, round out the rush linebacker depth. Butler is intriguing. Buried behind Spencer and Ware the past four seasons, Butler still managed 11 sacks and four forced fumbles while starting just 1-of-63 games. He is a free-agent sleeper.
    Also here's the part on safetys which we need a free safety

    7. Safety

    The safety class looks swell on paper, but I'm afraid it'll be thinned out by franchise tags and seemingly obvious re-signings. The franchise number for safeties is an affordable $6.798 million; only tight ends and kickers cost less to tag. I think we'll see top safety Jairus Byrd, 26, tagged and quite possibly William Moore, 27. The Niners also won't let Dashon Goldson, 28, get away.

    So that would leave Ed Reed, 34, Ronde Barber, 37, physically unreliable Louis Delmas, 25, and LaRon Landry, 28, benched ex-Patriot Pat Chung, 25, former first-round disappointment Kenny Phillips, 26, and Texans free safety Glover Quin, 27, atop this year's free-agent safety group.

    Chung and Phillips might be the safeties to target for teams incapable of ponying up for what'll be an unwieldy price tag on Landry, Byrd, Moore, or Goldson. Chung and Phillips both possess Pro Bowl-caliber talent; only bad injury luck has diminished their market value. Since both are under 27 years old, it's quite possible Phillips and Chung would be amenable to one-year, prove-it deals.
    Full article. http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nf...-rankings?pg=2

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    Default Re: 2013 NFL Free Agency: Browns

    Out of all the wide receiver free agents, no one is really talking about Cruz and Nicks. I don't see NY keeping both as both more than likely will command a lot of money

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcCurry08 View Post
    Out of all the wide receiver free agents, no one is really talking about Cruz and Nicks. I don't see NY keeping both as both more than likely will command a lot of money
    Nicks has one year left, Cruz is a RFA. Unlikely they'll lose either this off-season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcCurry08 View Post
    Out of all the wide receiver free agents, no one is really talking about Cruz and Nicks. I don't see NY keeping both as both more than likely will command a lot of money
    Well to be fair nicks is a free agent next year so I would imagine New York will figure out a way to manouver around any cap issues.

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    What corners are available?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mofire View Post
    Well to be fair nicks is a free agent next year so I would imagine New York will figure out a way to manouver around any cap issues.
    Oh, could of sworn I read somewhere Nicks was a free agent too

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Voice View Post
    What corners are available?
    http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nf...r-list-13?pg=4
    Cornerbacks

    Aqib Talib
    Brent Grimes
    Sean Smith
    Chris Houston
    Cary Williams
    Derek Cox
    Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
    E.J. Biggers
    Mike Jenkins
    Bradley Fletcher
    Keenan Lewis
    Sheldon Brown
    Quentin Jammer
    Brice McCain
    Leodis McKelvin
    Terence Newman
    Kyle Arrington
    Tracy Porter
    Antoine Cason
    Rashean Mathis
    Jacob Lacey
    Pacman Jones
    Jerraud Powers
    Joselio Hanson
    Darius Butler
    Captain Munnerlyn
    Stanford Routt
    Marcus Trufant
    Leigh Bodden
    Chris Owens
    Shawntae Spencer
    Kelvin Hayden
    William Middleton
    Pat Lee
    Cedric Griffin
    Greg Toler
    D.J. Moore
    Michael Adams
    Drayton Florence
    Ryan Mouton
    Zackary Bowman
    Michael Coe
    Alan Ball
    Will Allen
    Drew Coleman
    Alphonso Smith
    Chris Carr
    Chris Johnson
    Last edited by JMcCurry08; 02-10-2013 at 08:25 AM.

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    Default Re: 2013 NFL Free Agency: Browns

    Off of that list I'd take Biggers, Cox and Ball.

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