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    Default Re: Game 52 -|- Timberwolves @ Cavs -|- Monday, February 11th, 7:00PM ET

    We average 22.6 free throws per game and we had 11? And 2 of those were after the game was well decided on a ticky-tack foul on Kyrie? What's up with that? Minnesota was well under their free throw average, too. Seems like the refs mailed this one in (and I can't really blame them - getting sent to Cleveland in February to ref the Cavs-Wolves game?). But, that's really weak stuff, refs.

    Of course, maybe it was just extremely lame defense by both teams. I think the Cavs' defense was extremely lame, anyway.

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    Default Re: Game 52 -|- Timberwolves @ Cavs -|- Monday, February 11th, 7:00PM ET

    You could attend a practice of any NBA team and not see offensive players as wide open as the Timberwolves enjoyed in this game.

    I don't know if a Bill Russell clone could turn around this bunch on defense. How can a team look so lost trying to stop basic basketball plays this late in the season?

    Why Scott chose to single out Dion for punishment is another inexplicable matter.

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    Default Re: Game 52 -|- Timberwolves @ Cavs -|- Monday, February 11th, 7:00PM ET

    Quote Originally Posted by kidduck View Post
    You could attend a practice of any NBA team and not see offensive players as wide open as the Timberwolves enjoyed in this game.

    I don't know if a Bill Russell clone could turn around this bunch on defense. How can a team look so lost trying to stop basic basketball plays this late in the season?

    Why Scott chose to single out Dion for punishment is another inexplicable matter.

    6 turnovers in 20 minutes will do the trick every time.

    One of the aspects of a younger team is their not really consistent. Scott also is always changing things deliberately because for him this is preseason.

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    At least a couple of those turnovers occurred as Dion was taking the ball to the rim. How else does a player learn that skill except in a game? Sure you can say he should recognize when he has a driving lane, but he can't learn that without making some errors. Is this type of aggressive play what warrants punishment?

    OTOH, he certainly had some bad turnovers, especially the sloppy pass and no effort to go after the 50-50 ball.

    And his body language when he doesn't get a call could make anyone mad.
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    Default Re: Game 52 -|- Timberwolves @ Cavs -|- Monday, February 11th, 7:00PM ET

    Quote Originally Posted by kidduck View Post
    At least a couple of those turnovers occurred as Dion was taking the ball to the rim. How else does a player learn that skill except in a game? Sure you can say he should recognize when he has a driving lane, but he can't learn that without making some errors. Is this type of aggressive play what warrants punishment?
    theres aggressive pklay and reckless play. dion was playing reckless and his shot was falling so he was lax on the defensive end.

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    Default Re: Game 52 -|- Timberwolves @ Cavs -|- Monday, February 11th, 7:00PM ET

    Amico takes his rips on the loss:


    Cavs' lack of effort pays off big, and bad


    February 11, 2013

    CLEVELAND – Losses like this just can’t be justified.

    You can talk all you want about the Cavaliers’ youth. You can talk about their inexperience playing together. You can throw in the fact Minnesota guard Luke Ridnour looked in the mirror and saw Jerry West.

    But none of that excuses the way the Cavs got dismantled by a 100-92 count to the visiting Timberwolves on Monday.

    The Cavs won’t call it an embarrassment, and that’s fine. But there’s no other way to describe it.

    These weren’t the Wolves of Kevin Love. They weren’t even the Wolves of Andrei Kirilenko. They were the Wolves of the disappointing Derrick Williams, the typically so-so Ridnour, the guys that managed to win a measly three of their first 19 games without the injured Love.

    Well, make it four out of 20, as the Cavs found a way to make Ridnour look like West and Nikola Pekovic like George Mikan.

    This isn’t intended to pick on the Timberwolves, who have played hard through an assortment of awful injuries.

    It is, however, intended pick on the Cavs.

    And the bottom line is they need to stop looking past every boring opponent whose best players are sporting stitches, casts and street clothes.

    The Cavs say they know that — but they sure don’t act like it. Not now and hardly ever.

    If this game was against the Los Angeles Lakers or Oklahoma City Thunder, the Cavs would’ve at least played determined basketball.

    Instead, they stood around and watched, casually observing as teammates went one-on-one and tried to rack up stats. Not the good kind of stats, either. We’re talking about who could fire up the most shots. Or as the case was on this night, who could fire up the most bad shots.

    And let’s just say the competition was fierce.

    “They seemed to think, ‘OK, this should be an easy win, so I’m gonna get mine,’” Cavs coach Byron Scott said of his players. “You can’t play that way.”

    Well, you can. But this is the fruit of those non-labors.

    Lesson unlearned

    The Timberwolves trotted out a starting five that featured Williams at power forward and some guy named Mickael Gelebale at small forward.

    Gelebale is nothing more than a journeyman of sorts — in Europe. He signed to two 10-day contracts with Minnesota in January, then for the rest of the season last week.

    If he gets to go against the Cavs every night, he just might become the NBA’s highest-paid player.

    He made all three of his wide-open three-pointers, scored 11 points and grabbed six rebounds. And Gelebale was the worst of his T-Wolves teammates.

    Ridnour scored 21 and hit every big shot. The usually lumbering Pekovic scored 16 and pulled down 10 boards, and did so rather effortlessly. Williams and Ricky Rubio added 13 points a piece.

    The Cavs?

    Ugh, don’t remind us. Kyrie Irving scored 20, but was hardly Mr. Fourth Quarter on this night, with two of his jumpers hitting the backboard — and nothing else.

    Rookie guard Dion Waiters added 12 points on 6-of-6 shooting, but also committed a whopping six turnovers. Waiters was so sloppy Scott benched him for the final 16:11.

    And fellow rookie Tyler Zeller was no picnic himself at center. Zeller took two shots, missed both, and badly mishandled just about everything thrown his way.

    It's as if Zeller just suddenly grew to 7-feet, stepped onto the court for the first time and saw a white tiger lunging his way. Worse, he’s had too many nights like this lately. Somebody needs to let the kid know it’s time to pull it together, man, and whoever it is doesn’t necessarily need to be overly kind about it.

    Although, this can hardly be pinned on one guy. On most nights, it’s a team sport. But if the Cavs (16-36) proved anything, it’s that they know how to make it something other than that.

    “I’m baffled,” Scott said. “We had a little adversity, and we scattered.”

    That needs to end, and it needs to end yesterday. The Cavs have already said they know it. Clearly, they don’t. It’s that whole "actions speak louder than words" thing.

    “They haven’t learned (that you need to be motivated for every opponent), and that’s obvious,” Scott said.

    Yeah. It sure is. And it's more than maddening. It's unjustifiable.

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    Default Re: Game 52 -|- Timberwolves @ Cavs -|- Monday, February 11th, 7:00PM ET

    What did you guys think of Jamal Mosley's halftime comments?

    He was acting really upset, but was he talking about the Cavs offense when he was saying people are playing for themselves (sorry can't remember his exact wording)?

    I didn't think the problem in the first half was our offense other than the turnovers. I thought we were sharing, or trying to share the ball and turning it over. Ball movement wasn't bad at all!

    Defense was pretty bad first half. But Mosley's comments at halftime just seemed like he was trying to do a poorly timed Byron Scott impression, and pretending to be more mad at something than he was.

    If he was talking about defense, then nevermind. I agree in that case.

    Did you guys agree with him if he was talking about the offense?

    The careless turnovers I saw came from sharing the ball with poor execution. Bad passes and the like. Not a sign of selfishness really. And I thought the ball moved pretty well compared to early in the season, everybody was getting into and contributing, But on the other end their shots were just falling better.

    What did you see in the first half?

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    Default Re: Game 52 -|- Timberwolves @ Cavs -|- Monday, February 11th, 7:00PM ET

    Quote Originally Posted by RTrees View Post
    The careless turnovers I saw came from sharing the ball with poor execution. Bad passes and the like. Not a sign of selfishness really. And I thought the ball moved pretty well compared to early in the season, everybody was getting into and contributing, But on the other end their shots were just falling better.

    What did you see in the first half?
    Some time during the second period, I saw the team stop being aggressive and attacking on offense. They were not pushing the ball up the court any more. Just slow crawling it. When they were aggressive they got results. When they weren't, the Timberwolves got back into the game. It's like in the 4th when the second unit came in and wiped out the deficit because they were aggressive and pushed the ball.

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