Playstation 4 Revealed!

[JSS2306]

The next gen has arrived and from the looks of it Sony is headed down the right direction. From what I gather so far it's going to be more social (not my kinda thing TBH) but you are able to record and post YOUR gameplay instantaneously to the social network which I think is pretty cool. You can now stream games and if you are downloading you can play while you download which is a gigantic step up from PS3 IMO.

For more tech data check here: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/0...playstation-4/

My only beef with the presentation was when they showed the life cycles of earlier consoles and it came to the year 2012 with 20,000 polygon character models BUT NOW they have 30,000 polygons in 2013. Then they go on to show how an old man can look so lifelike. To me, this is very similar to past presentations or demos of engines. I was kind of expecting a leap to 50,000 polygons. The demo looks nice and all and you can actually see the emotion in the characters eyes but it won't translate to games with countless enemies on screen at once.

There were games demoed but I only caught infamous which was eerily similar to the Unreal 4 demo presented last year. It does look great and the particle and lighting effects are top notch, better than what you see on PC now. The other demo I saw was a first person racing game in which every detail of the car was replicated down to individual engine components and carbon fiber body material. Pretty impressive shit. It looked amazing.

I'm stoked and I only saw bits and pieces.

[Prophet Named X]

The next gen has arrived and from the looks of it Sony is headed down the right direction. From what I gather so far it's going to be more social (not my kinda thing TBH) but you are able to record and post YOUR gameplay instantaneously to the social network which I think is pretty cool. You can now stream games and if you are downloading you can play while you download which is a gigantic step up from PS3 IMO.

For more tech data check here: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/0...playstation-4/

My only beef with the presentation was when they showed the life cycles of earlier consoles and it came to the year 2012 with 20,000 polygon character models BUT NOW they have 30,000 polygons in 2013. Then they go on to show how an old man can look so lifelike. To me, this is very similar to past presentations or demos of engines. I was kind of expecting a leap to 50,000 polygons. The demo looks nice and all and you can actually see the emotion in the characters eyes but it won't translate to games with countless enemies on screen at once.

There were games demoed but I only caught infamous which was eerily similar to the Unreal 4 demo presented last year. It does look great and the particle and lighting effects are top notch, better than what you see on PC now. The other demo I saw was a first person racing game in which every detail of the car was replicated down to individual engine components and carbon fiber body material. Pretty impressive shit. It looked amazing.

I'm stoked and I only saw bits and pieces.

It'll be a flop. I want to know who's building this 8 core CPU for it, because if it's AMD, then it's guaranteed to be purely shit.

[Doc Shakalou]

Is it also going to have a blu ray player or is that out?

[JSS2306]

It'll be a flop. I want to know who's building this 8 core CPU for it, because if it's AMD, then it's guaranteed to be purely shit.

Eh... I mean I guess you have point but when the Red Ring Of Death showed up for the 360, Microsoft still managed to outsell Sony. Sony has a good history with PS1, PS2 and PS3 (I feel was the weakest console for its time). I moved more toward 360 for the controller and games seemed to run more seamlessly but Sony is doing away with Cell and I feel they will really knock this one out of the park.

Admittedly, I'm more of a graphics whore (especially with Oculus Rift on the horizon) and the PS4 is suppose to be at least twice as powerful as the Xbox 720 which has the whole kinect 2.0 thing going for it.

I don't know. Pretty impressive showing from Sony and we got our first look at next gen games which take on a new life just from the lighting upgrades alone. Really impressive stuff.

[Walter White]

When is it supposed to come out and what is retail? Have they released any of that yet.

[gourimoko]

It'll be a flop. I want to know who's building this 8 core CPU for it, because if it's AMD, then it's guaranteed to be purely shit.

They're using AMD processors, modeled after the Bulldozer architecture. The CPU will be discretely integer driver because of this, and the GPU will handle almost ALL floating point arithmetic via SIMD/OpenCL, etc. They're going the AMD route because they believe it will allow them to compete against Microsoft not only on performance, but price point.

From a development standpoint, it is more difficult in general to delineate operations discretely between different processors on separate buses; however, API's exist today to streamline the process tremendously and if Sony continues to use a fairly robust operating system (basically Linux) and has a solid SDK like they had with the PS3, it should be a successful approach.

However, IIRC, Microsoft was also rumored to be using an AMD-based processor as well..

[Beanie]

really hope that the PS4 will be better than the next XBOX if only so I can get the playstation to play The Show

[Beanie]

When is it supposed to come out and what is retail? Have they released any of that yet.

what I read earlier today was a $400 and $500 price depending on model and a November release

[Prophet Named X]

They're using AMD processors, modeled after the Bulldozer architecture. The CPU will be discretely integer driver because of this, and the GPU will handle almost ALL floating point arithmetic via SIMD/OpenCL, etc. They're going the AMD route because they believe it will allow them to compete against Microsoft not only on performance, but price point.

From a development standpoint, it is more difficult in general to delineate operations discretely between different processors on separate buses; however, API's exist today to streamline the process tremendously and if Sony continues to use a fairly robust operating system (basically Linux) and has a solid SDK like they had with the PS3, it should be a successful approach.

However, IIRC, Microsoft was also rumored to be using an AMD-based processor as well..

Every AMD past their quad core Phenoms have been shit. More cores does not always equal more power, and it's been proven by their assortment of 8 core processors.

And do you not remember Sony officially locking out Linux from being used on the PS3? Granted, ways around it, but Sony went from supporting it from launch, to absolutely shunning it. Reason I see this truly failing?

Most of Sony's allure with it's console systems has been the ability to incorporate the device with a relatively new technology for media delivered at home. Particularly in the PS2/PS3 with DVD/BluRay. Hell, I can't even get HBOGo on a PS3. Microsoft has done a much better job with it's Netflix/Hulu apps when compared to the bland generic looks on the PS3. Add in the apps like ESPN, NBA, etc for sports nuts and Microsoft has pretty much created a domination when it comes to using their console as a set top box. Hell, with the right cable company, I wouldn't even need to rent an HD box, rather just use my Xbox instead.

[SauDogg]

Nothing really blew me away enough to get one when I already have a gaming PC

[Juicy]

I don't get the whole point of connecting everything you use to social media. I don't want people keeping track of everything I am doing. Like on Spotify, I always see people saying "So n So listened to w.e on Spotify" who gives a shit?!

[gourimoko]

Every AMD past their quad core Phenoms have been shit. More cores does not always equal more power, and it's been proven by their assortment of 8 core processors.

I agree. I would go further in saying that even the later Phenoms were trash. Honestly, a more accurate statement would be that Intel outpaced AMD substantially with the i-series platform. AMD processors seem to be comparable to the Core series Intel architecture. Bulldozer is no different.

However, that's in the PC market, which requires routine general purpose processing.. A gaming console is a completely different animal. The weak architecture adopted by AMD shouldn't really pose much of a problem so long as their SDK/API strongly enforces GPU-centric gaming engines. Meaning all significant work is floating-point based, multithreaded, subject to auto compiler parallelization, and compliant with OpenCL. I'm sure the Sony and AMD engineers have thought this out. The bulk of work will be done on the GPU in the stream processors, certainly. The CPU will likely not be a bottleneck in most games, just as it is for most PC gaming engines.

With that said though, I think Sony's decision to use an x86 chip is very smart in keeping costs down. This is what Microsoft did to them with the original Xbox.

And do you not remember Sony officially locking out Linux from being used on the PS3? Granted, ways around it, but Sony went from supporting it from launch, to absolutely shunning it. Reason I see this truly failing?

Yes of course, but Sony locked out the "OtherOS" feature which allowed the end user to install their own Linux distro in a dual-boot configuration. Yet, all PS3's still run a variant of the Linux kernel as their base operating system, and the native Sony SDK is Linux based as well.. Point being, they have a solid foundation. Perhaps not as solid as DirectX and Windows, but still.

Most of Sony's allure with it's console systems has been the ability to incorporate the device with a relatively new technology for media delivered at home. Particularly in the PS2/PS3 with DVD/BluRay. Hell, I can't even get HBOGo on a PS3. Microsoft has done a much better job with it's Netflix/Hulu apps when compared to the bland generic looks on the PS3. Add in the apps like ESPN, NBA, etc for sports nuts and Microsoft has pretty much created a domination when it comes to using their console as a set top box. Hell, with the right cable company, I wouldn't even need to rent an HD box, rather just use my Xbox instead.

I totally agree, Microsoft has done a marvelous job to date integrating digital media, providing a more robust game library, and offering a superior online experience. I'd much rather own a 360 over a PS3 as a gaming platform, for a myriad of reasons; and I'd rather pay for Live than play for free on PSO.

With all that, I still hope Sony can do well in this next generation of consoles; solely in the interest of promoting fair competition to further expand the market. I'm somewhat weary of this move towards lower-end, low-powered gaming platforms like tablets and phones. I understand we've hit somewhat of a plateau with respect to chip performance; however, I still think there is much creative room to grow. Gaming companies would be better served not looking for the next best shooter, but taking a risk on a revolutionary concept.

[Huber.]

[cafemerald]

I agree Gouri. The AMD chips are well suited for media and gaming content.

I just built an HTPC in december and made it as cost effective ad possible. I built it with the A4 3300. My system is much smoother than my friends HTPC running a Sandy Bridge celeron. Intel HD graphics are complete shit, plus they stutter on 24p video content like crazy. My light gaming is also much smoother too. That is because the cpu isnt the bottle neck. Its the graphics. A lot of things are hardware accelerated and that greatly benefits my APU. Mind you my APU is nothing special. The GPU is severely underclocked. But low temps correspond to a longer lifespan so I was willing to take the performance cut, because I would never see it.

Now if he added a graphics chip his system would blow mine out of the water. But thats added costs. Consoles are built on a tight budget.

[Mdog1]

what I read earlier today was a $400 and $500 price depending on model and a November release

I heard november too, just before the new COD likely, but I read somewhere it'd be closer to $800, which I am perfectly fine paying. $500 would be amazing.