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Joe Henderson · 12-19-2009, 08:07 AM

The trade rumor season is upon us and "Do it Ferry!" will be the most often typed phrase from here to the deadline. so let's see how Danny has done so far with his wheeling and dealing.

February 24, 2006 Acquired forward Lee Nailon and a 2006 second-round pick from the Philadelphia 76ers for a conditional 2006 second-round pick; acquired guard Ronald Murray from the Seattle SuperSonics for guard Mike Wilks and cash considerations.

October 14, 2006 Acquired forward-center Dwayne Jones from the Boston Celtics for guard-forward Luke Jackson and cash.

February 22, 2008 Acquired forwards-centers Ben Wallace and Joe Smith and a 2009 second-round pick from the Chicago Bulls and guard-forward Wally Szczerbiak and guard Delonte West from the Seattle SuperSonics in a three-team trade. (sending out Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, Cedric Simmons, Shannon Brown, Ira Newble and Donyell Marshall.)

June 27, 2008 Acquired the draft rights to forward Darnell Jackson from the Miami Heat for a second-round draft pick.

August 14, 2008 Acquired guard Mo Williams from the Milwaukee Bucks in a three-team trade involving Oklahoma City. (for Damon Jones and Joe Smith.)

June 26, 2009 Acquired the draft rights to forward Emir Preldzic from the Phoenix Suns for cash considerations.

June 26, 2009 Acquired center Shaquille O'Neal from the Phoenix Suns for forward/center Ben Wallace, a second-round selection in the 2010 NBA draft and cash considerations. (plus Sasha)

so how would you rate him on a scale of 1-5?

**Jigo_oi** · 12-19-2009, 08:11 AM

Easily a 4. The Mo trade was a 5 and the Shaq trade was at least a 3.5. I'd give the guy a 5, but there is still work to be done in terms of grabbing a scorer.

I'm confident he'll get it done and assuming that to be the case...he's a 5 and among the best in the league.

DougHeil · 12-19-2009, 08:11 AM

4.

Ferry has consistently year by year improved the team. That's really all you can ask for from your General Manager.

(added)
LOL Jigo; let it be noted we posted at exactly the same time, and said (4).

The Special One · 12-19-2009, 08:22 AM

4.

I might've been tempted to go for 5 before the Shaq deal. It's not to say that Shaq, in terms of worth, doesn't kick Sasha and Big Ben's asses, but there will always be the lingering thoughts of who else Ferry could've brought to Cleveland using such valuable trade chips.

The Mo deal of course was legendary.

BTW, another small trade was bringing in Cedric Simmons for David Wesley in Sep 2007.

Joe Henderson · 12-19-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Special One

4.

I might've been tempted to go for 5 before the Shaq deal. It's not to say that Shaq, in terms of worth, doesn't kick Sasha and Big Ben's asses, but there will always be the lingering thoughts of who else Ferry could've brought to Cleveland using such valuable trade chips.

The Mo deal of course was legendary.

BTW, another small trade was bringing in Cedric Simmons for David Wesley in Sep 2007.

Same here, the Shaq deal was the only reason i didn't go for 5. I think it was a good deal, but i'm not sure the strategy itself is perfect. Also, the potential missed opportunity a year ago most likely, the right opportunity just didn't present itself, but the fan in me says that something could have been done with Wally's contract.

To me as well, it's very close to a 5. He didn't pull anything stupid and the vision has always been clear. Also, he shows consistency in going after certain players and the players he pursues in this manner usually prove him right (Delonte and Mo come to mind.)

APW2914 · 12-19-2009, 09:15 AM

Not trading Wally because "he was happy with the team chemistry moving forward" automatically makes him a 1.

I could change my mind by the deadline.....

Photon · 12-19-2009, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by APW2914

Not trading Wally because "he was happy with the team chemistry moving forward" automatically makes him a 1.

I could change my mind by the deadline.....

LOL You just don't trade for the sake of trading. I believe nothing good enough was available for Wally. We gained cap relive so we were able to bring in Shaq's ginourmous contract.

LJ4MVP · 12-19-2009, 09:29 AM

plus we still have wally as a trade chip without even paying him a salary right now. I'd put him at 4.5.

Photon · 12-19-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by LJ4MVP

plus we still have wally as a trade chip without even paying him a salary right now. I'd put him at 4.5.

Something amazing might happen with that posible contract. Ferry might get as TWO really good players by the trade line. He can match his contract up to anything the other team would want. Great chip actually. If I remember correctly some teams are actually targeting next off-season for the big FA signings....

MoDelonte · 12-19-2009, 09:44 AM

Though shalt not rate The Ferry.

**BlueSeats626** · 12-19-2009, 09:46 AM

Moot point until July 1st, 2010.

**ChicagoCavFan** · 12-19-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueSeats626

Moot point until July 1st, 2010.

But that won't be a trade....it will be a free agency signing....

Dirk Gently · 12-19-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoCavFan

But that won't be a trade....it will be a free agency signing....

But that signing will be contingent upon how well Ferry has done overall. Which is really the only significant criteria. Or in other words, our perception of how good of a job Ferry has done isn't really that important. What we should be asking is "how would LeBron rate the job Ferry has done"?

kovanovich · 12-19-2009, 12:56 PM

You also forgot Ferry's first trade, dumping Jiri Welsch on Milwaukee for a 2006 second round pick. That pick turned into Daniel Gibson.

Even Ferry's harshest critics would have a hard time being overly critical of the trades Ferry has made. It's the trades he hasn't made where he can be called in for criticism.

In retrospect, I think the 10 player deal in 2008 was really a masterstroke. It finally allowed Ferry to unload most of the remaining unwanted players he had inherited plus 2 of his 3 2005 FA signings who had been disappointing, plus his 2007 pick that he no longer wanted. It positioned the team for its remarkable 2008-09 year, and provided upcoming expiring contracts that could potentially be used to land a bigger star (ultimately this turned out to be Shaq).

Some have remarked that Ferry has been very active in remaking the Cavs roster, and point out that only LeBron, Andy, and Z remain from the team he inherited in June 2005.

I disagree with this assessment. The hallmark of the Ferry administration has been stability. He has tended to value his own players (Shannon Brown being the notable exception), and has only made trades that he really wanted to make. He has never panicked.

NBA rosters, despite the salary cap, are very unstable. I haven't gone back to check, but I suspect that very few teams have more than 3 players that were on the team in June 2005. Ferry inherited a very weak roster, and I am glad that almost all of those guys are long gone.

As far as his grade, as I have said elsewhere, it's still incomplete. I'd rather grade him on the roster he has assembled, but based purely on the trades he has made to this point, he's got to be a 4+.

QUI23 · 12-19-2009, 01:14 PM

Ferry is a mediocre GM. He hardly ever makes trades for the sake of making the team better, he only makes reactive trades to other teams. Every time we lose to a team in the playoffs,Ferry immediately panics and makes trades SOLELY to compete with THAT team instead of making a blockbuster trade so other teams will have to react to us.He continues to sign washed up players and in his eyes he thinks they are big help to Lebron.He tried to trick everyone by signing Shaq and make it seem as if he signed a superstar but in reality even though the name sounds good,Shaq is no where near a superstar anymore.He made some nice moves like Mo, Delonte and Moon,but he also makes some questionable ones like giving AV all that money to be a role player and passing up some good players in the drafts.He doesnt know talent thats why he think signing players like Wally and Anthony Parker are hits in Ferry eyes and he doesnt realize these are mediocre players. He is too nice of a person to be a GM and he thinks MB is a good coach.

View Poll Results: How would you rate Ferry's trades?
5 - he regularly gets greatness for nothing	32	24.62%
4 - he usally gets good value for the team, but made a few blunders	86	66.15%
3 - hit and miss. some were good, some were pretty bad.	11	8.46%
2 - mostly gets lesser value. might have lucked into something decent.	1	0.77%
1 - regularly gets raped by the other GMs	0	0%
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12-19-2009, 08:07 AM	#1
Joe Henderson Status: keyboard monkey Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Budapest Posts: 2,064 Past Fav: Terrel Brandon, Zydrunas Ilgauskas Thanks: 1,987 Thanked 1,212 Times in 470 Posts	Rate Trader Danny The trade rumor season is upon us and "Do it Ferry!" will be the most often typed phrase from here to the deadline. so let's see how Danny has done so far with his wheeling and dealing. February 24, 2006 Acquired forward Lee Nailon and a 2006 second-round pick from the Philadelphia 76ers for a conditional 2006 second-round pick; acquired guard Ronald Murray from the Seattle SuperSonics for guard Mike Wilks and cash considerations. October 14, 2006 Acquired forward-center Dwayne Jones from the Boston Celtics for guard-forward Luke Jackson and cash. February 22, 2008 Acquired forwards-centers Ben Wallace and Joe Smith and a 2009 second-round pick from the Chicago Bulls and guard-forward Wally Szczerbiak and guard Delonte West from the Seattle SuperSonics in a three-team trade. (sending out Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, Cedric Simmons, Shannon Brown, Ira Newble and Donyell Marshall.) June 27, 2008 Acquired the draft rights to forward Darnell Jackson from the Miami Heat for a second-round draft pick. August 14, 2008 Acquired guard Mo Williams from the Milwaukee Bucks in a three-team trade involving Oklahoma City. (for Damon Jones and Joe Smith.) June 26, 2009 Acquired the draft rights to forward Emir Preldzic from the Phoenix Suns for cash considerations. June 26, 2009 Acquired center Shaquille O'Neal from the Phoenix Suns for forward/center Ben Wallace, a second-round selection in the 2010 NBA draft and cash considerations. (plus Sasha) so how would you rate him on a scale of 1-5?

12-19-2009, 08:11 AM	#2
Jigo_oi Status: Do you like waffles? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 12,243 Thanks: 10,286 Thanked 11,947 Times in 3,927 Posts	Re: Rate Trader Danny Easily a 4. The Mo trade was a 5 and the Shaq trade was at least a 3.5. I'd give the guy a 5, but there is still work to be done in terms of grabbing a scorer. I'm confident he'll get it done and assuming that to be the case...he's a 5 and among the best in the league. __________________

12-19-2009, 08:11 AM	#3
DougHeil Status: The LeFraud Interaction Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Marion, Ohio Posts: 5,114 Fav Cav: JJ Past Fav: Big Z Thanks: 4,096 Thanked 3,340 Times in 1,605 Posts	Re: Rate Trader Danny 4. Ferry has consistently year by year improved the team. That's really all you can ask for from your General Manager. (added) LOL Jigo; let it be noted we posted at exactly the same time, and said (4).

12-19-2009, 08:22 AM	#4
The Special One Status: CMB > you Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: London Posts: 135 Fav Cav: Mo Past Fav: Wallace Thanks: 725 Thanked 174 Times in 55 Posts	Re: Rate Trader Danny 4. I might've been tempted to go for 5 before the Shaq deal. It's not to say that Shaq, in terms of worth, doesn't kick Sasha and Big Ben's asses, but there will always be the lingering thoughts of who else Ferry could've brought to Cleveland using such valuable trade chips. The Mo deal of course was legendary. BTW, another small trade was bringing in Cedric Simmons for David Wesley in Sep 2007. Last edited by The Special One; 12-19-2009 at 09:23 AM..

12-19-2009, 09:15 AM	#6
APW2914 Status: Rookie Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 131 Thanks: 12 Thanked 106 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Rate Trader Danny Not trading Wally because "he was happy with the team chemistry moving forward" automatically makes him a 1. I could change my mind by the deadline.....

12-19-2009, 09:29 AM	#8
LJ4MVP Status: All Star Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,756 Thanks: 429 Thanked 1,756 Times in 727 Posts	Re: Rate Trader Danny plus we still have wally as a trade chip without even paying him a salary right now. I'd put him at 4.5.

12-19-2009, 09:44 AM	#10
MoDelonte Status: Rising Star Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,568 Fav Cav: LeBron and Delonte Thanks: 2,246 Thanked 978 Times in 416 Posts	Re: Rate Trader Danny Though shalt not rate The Ferry.

12-19-2009, 09:46 AM	#11
BlueSeats626 Status: 08-09 Chemistry Champions Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cleveland Heights Posts: 2,665 Fav Cav: Brian Windhorst Past Fav: Wally's hair stylist Thanks: 1,261 Thanked 2,225 Times in 800 Posts	Re: Rate Trader Danny Moot point until July 1st, 2010. __________________ llgauskas desire shall not fade and powder blue seats' bygones be bygones - RandolphKeys

12-19-2009, 12:56 PM	#14
kovanovich Status: Team Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 730 Past Fav: Ron Harper Thanks: 477 Thanked 693 Times in 263 Posts	Re: Rate Trader Danny You also forgot Ferry's first trade, dumping Jiri Welsch on Milwaukee for a 2006 second round pick. That pick turned into Daniel Gibson. Even Ferry's harshest critics would have a hard time being overly critical of the trades Ferry has made. It's the trades he hasn't made where he can be called in for criticism. In retrospect, I think the 10 player deal in 2008 was really a masterstroke. It finally allowed Ferry to unload most of the remaining unwanted players he had inherited plus 2 of his 3 2005 FA signings who had been disappointing, plus his 2007 pick that he no longer wanted. It positioned the team for its remarkable 2008-09 year, and provided upcoming expiring contracts that could potentially be used to land a bigger star (ultimately this turned out to be Shaq). Some have remarked that Ferry has been very active in remaking the Cavs roster, and point out that only LeBron, Andy, and Z remain from the team he inherited in June 2005. I disagree with this assessment. The hallmark of the Ferry administration has been stability. He has tended to value his own players (Shannon Brown being the notable exception), and has only made trades that he really wanted to make. He has never panicked. NBA rosters, despite the salary cap, are very unstable. I haven't gone back to check, but I suspect that very few teams have more than 3 players that were on the team in June 2005. Ferry inherited a very weak roster, and I am glad that almost all of those guys are long gone. As far as his grade, as I have said elsewhere, it's still incomplete. I'd rather grade him on the roster he has assembled, but based purely on the trades he has made to this point, he's got to be a 4+.

12-19-2009, 01:14 PM	#15
QUI23 Status: Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 147 Thanks: 33 Thanked 21 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Rate Trader Danny Ferry is a mediocre GM. He hardly ever makes trades for the sake of making the team better, he only makes reactive trades to other teams. Every time we lose to a team in the playoffs,Ferry immediately panics and makes trades SOLELY to compete with THAT team instead of making a blockbuster trade so other teams will have to react to us.He continues to sign washed up players and in his eyes he thinks they are big help to Lebron.He tried to trick everyone by signing Shaq and make it seem as if he signed a superstar but in reality even though the name sounds good,Shaq is no where near a superstar anymore.He made some nice moves like Mo, Delonte and Moon,but he also makes some questionable ones like giving AV all that money to be a role player and passing up some good players in the drafts.He doesnt know talent thats why he think signing players like Wally and Anthony Parker are hits in Ferry eyes and he doesnt realize these are mediocre players. He is too nice of a person to be a GM and he thinks MB is a good coach.