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2017 Browns Off Season Thread

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That's what we said about Derek Anderson.

Assuming that mental errors and lack of consistency can be fixed is being overly optimistic. Both are dependent upon him having the right mental makeup for a QB, and we simply cannot know that yet. And if it was that certain, he wouldn't have lasted as long as he did in the draft.

So while he has all the physical potential in the world, and very well may overcome whatever it is that leads to those bad throws, bad decisions, and inconsistency, he also may not.
He's learning the offense right now... we should expect mistakes. We should expect incorrect reads right now. I'm not saying he's a poor decision maker in general.

Anderson, I'm going to be honest, I couldn't stand him. I think he was not only a terrible processor, but he was highly inaccurate. I hated him in the midst of his "solid" season. He still made so many dumb throws. Most of his career was spent in the low-mid 50% completion percentage with us. Even his "pro bowl" year had a terrible completion percentage.

Kizer is young, and his mechanics are a bit inconsistent. At times, he's spot on with his footwork and the ball is on the money. At other times, he breaks down. This is what I expect Hue to fix through repetition and good coaching. This guy was a redshirt sophomore coming out--he just needs the time. Now that this is his job, I expect sharp improvement.
 
That's what we said about Derek Anderson.

Assuming that mental errors and lack of consistency can be fixed is being overly optimistic. Both are dependent upon him having the right mental makeup for a QB, and we simply cannot know that yet. And if it was that certain, he wouldn't have lasted as long as he did in the draft.

So while he has all the physical potential in the world, and very well may overcome whatever it is that leads to those bad throws, bad decisions, and inconsistency, he also may not.
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There are a lot of guys who have had all the physical tools who have failed.

There's no shortage of QBs who could make every throw that couldn't cut it.

Weeden had one of the best arms in the league. If you looked at just Weeden's career highlight tape and knew nothing else about him you might think "damn this guy is one of the best in the league". He threw a damn pretty ball and he had arm talent in spades. But he was so unreasonably slow to process information and such a God awful decision maker that his good plays and fantastic arm couldn't save him.

Kizer is a project. It's great he has all the tools, but make no mistake he and Hue will have a lot of work to do. I'm excited, but he's quite the unknown. He has a lot to work on.
 
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/05/shon_coleman_definitely_the_fa.html

Did the Cleveland Browns make a mistake not putting Shon Coleman in their lineup as a rookie last season?

The Browns selected Coleman out of Auburn in the third round of the 2016 NFL Draft, but the tackle played only 62 snaps in seven games with the Cleveland offense.

If the idea was to protect the Browns' quarterback better with a more experienced right tackle - five-year veteran Austin Pasztor -- than Coleman, it didn't work, like most of what Cleveland did during its one-win season.

Coleman tried to make the most of it, though. That included working with Cleveland left tackle Joe Thomas to learn what's made him a 10-time Pro Bowler.

"I don't think it was a bad thing," Coleman toldthe Browns' official web site. "I got to sit back and take everything in and experience a lot of things. I got thrown in the game a couple of times and got to learn from that. I think it's better for me going into my second year and knowing what to expect."

Cleveland plunged into free agency to improve its offensive line in the offseason, giving Green Bay Packers center J.C. Tretter a three-year, $16.75 million contract and Cincinnati Bengals right guard Kevin Zeitler a five-year, $60 million deal.

With Thomas at left tackle and Joel Bitonio at left guard and Pasztor no longer with the Browns, Cleveland's only opening on the offensive line is at right tackle. Coleman might have had a year of experience there already, but now he appears the frontrunner to join the Browns' rebuilt line, although Cameron Erving and Spencer Drango, displaced by the free-agent additions, are in the picture, too.

Thomas pegged Coleman as "probably the guy they're expecting to be out there starting."

"I think he's got all the ability to do it," Thomas said, "but there's just a matter of him going out there and proving that he can, because he hasn't had a lot of NFL action yet and there is a difference between showing in practice that you can do it and being able to show in a game that you can. So I think the jury is still out, but he's definitely the favorite."

Coleman made the Browns' decision easier last year because he joined the team less than 100 percent physically. He had knee surgery in January, and his recovery kept him off the practice field until training camp.

This year, Coleman made sure he was ready when the offseason program started, staying close to the Browns' facility after the 2016 season ended.

"I just came here and worked out and went home and played video games," Coleman said. "I'm always looking to better the team. I've been grinding so hard this offseason. I have high expectations for myself. I look forward to getting on the field more this year."
 
How come a fair amount of people ripped my comment that I said Kizer should sit a year when everything everyone is saying is he needs a fair amount of time? He has all the potential, but is far from ready to be out there everyday at least from the start of the season/his first season.

Also the RT position battle likely between Erving and Coleman is one of those to watch in camp since if Erving cannot do it, I expect we do what we did with Gilbert last season and just move him for whatever we can get for him. I don't think he is worth keeping around if he fails at RT
 
How come a fair amount of people ripped my comment that I said Kizer should sit a year when everything everyone is saying is he needs a fair amount of time? He has all the potential, but is far from ready to be out there everyday at least from the start of the season/his first season.

I'm not sure you'll find a more tenuous topic than how to deal with young QBs. Some people think you throw them out there & hope they learn how to swim. Others think a prudent approach is more effective as it allows the QB to adjust to the speed of the game in practice. In Cleveland, we've seen both situations come up poorly and different people remember those experiences differently. The thing is, it's dependent upon the QB (the human), which is the biggest variable and that little but important factor gets brushed to the side many times in these debates.
 
Did anyone read an article about Kizer on fast track? I saw it on Twitter, thought I favorited it, and didn't.
 
Did anyone read an article about Kizer on fast track? I saw it on Twitter, thought I favorited it, and didn't.

You didn't miss much, he is just close to Hue as often as he can be. He admits to having a lot to work on and learn.

Anybody watch much of N.C. State last year? I'd like to know more about Dayes. I like seeing his vision with the ball in highlights, sets up blockers really well. I hear he runs a full route tree like a slot receiver. The speed is unfortunate but not a deal breaker. I wish he had about 15 more pounds in his lower body. Anyways, looking forward to impressions.
 
Pretty interesting to see that the Browns now extended two off-ball linebackers in the last few months with contracts that rank at or near the top of the NFL at their position. Conventional wisdom holds that the off-ball LB is not very important in a 4-man front, but obviously the Browns feel differently.

I'm sure some would say that they overpaid in order to keep talent on the team, but this FO has shown both a keen understanding of a player's value in free agency as well as a refusal to go above that if he doesn't agree to the outlined terms.
 
Pretty interesting to see that the Browns now extended two off-ball linebackers in the last few months with contracts that rank at or near the top of the NFL at their position. Conventional wisdom holds that the off-ball LB is not very important in a 4-man front, but obviously the Browns feel differently.

I'm sure some would say that they overpaid in order to keep talent on the team, but this FO has shown both a keen understanding of a player's value in free agency as well as a refusal to go above that if he doesn't agree to the outlined terms.

I dunno. Seems to me that if your most common defensive alignment is 4-2-5, then the two LB's you do have on the field better be pretty damn good.
 
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Ahhhhhhh too late. Kai Nacua 4 DPOY
 
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Don't get excited about a UDFA
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Don't get excited about a UDFA

Ahhhhhhh too late. Kai Nacua 4 DPOY
How is it that you are the most negative poster on this board about our generationally good basketball team and somehow optimistic about our generationally bad football team
 
I dunno. Seems to me that if your most common defensive alignment is 4-2-5, then the two LB's you do have on the field better be pretty damn good.

Definitely true, but ILB/MLB and off-ball linebackers have the lowest top end salaries out of any defensive position, right near safeties. It's just interesting to me that the Browns are bucking the trend on this a little bit, and it wouldn't surprise me to see the market begin to agree with the Browns estimation of their value in a year or two.
 
Corey Coleman out 2 months.... Currently on his grind to get back on the field
 

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