2019 Browns Off Season/Roster Discussion

[Coyote850]

I think because of the suspension coming, we control him next year too, but then he is gone, don't see Hunt and Chubb on the same team long term, but Duke is about to get a bit more expensive...5 mill a year, and is a free agent in 3 years.

So why keep and piss off Duke with no carries for most of 2 years just for an extra year of control at 5 million when we can get something of value for him now.

Hunt is still on his rookie contract. We have his rights. We can franchise him after his rookie contract is up. That's my understanding.

 

[MGMT]

I’d have to think nothing

View: https://twitter.com/Browns/status/1106338887394299905?s=19

Good to see Dorsey switching it and wearing some pants. On a more related note, he seems to connect well with players. Seems as though he himself contributes to a positive atmosphere. Cultures start from the top and it seems as though he knows that.

 

[Smooth]

That talking point has been thrown around for about two years now. Duke is a consistent playmaker, but hasn't been put in a position to use those skills.

His touches went from 156 to 87 between '17 & '18.
He's a great weapon, but now that they have more mouths to feed on offense; his touches will only go down and he becomes an expensive luxury at the most replaceable position in football(Yes, his skillset is unique and valuable, but not to a team that won't be using him)

They can turn Duke(and Ogbah) into assets that will help address other weaknesses on the team. It's better to move a RB that's replaceable for assets because those assets are ammunition for finding your next starting Safety or LB

I also understand from that aspect as well, but RB was never an issue so why add Hunt to the mix with two capable RBs?

But in addition, how can you be confident in trading Duke away when Hunt's status is questionable?

Answering my own question, knowing Dorsey's philosophy of positional value (RB is second lowest rung on his postional pyramid) and factoring in positional scarcity + cost (RBs are cheap, easy to find/replace), I understand..

Just seems like an odd move and is ushering out a player who he didn't bring in...

 

[Jordan]

I also understand from that aspect as well, but RB was never an issue so why add Hunt to the mix with two capable RBs?

But in addition, how can you be confident in trading Duke away when Hunt's status is questionable?

Answering my own question, knowing Dorsey's philosophy of positional value (RB is second lowest rung on his postional pyramid) and factoring in positional scarcity + cost (RBs are cheap, easy to find/replace), I understand..

Just seems like an odd move and is ushering out a player who he didn't bring in...

The problem is because Duke is a good receiver and pass blocker, he actually has more value than a traditional RB, at least for now.

Dorsey may be making a future play... he may be scanning the league and realizing most new RBs are designed to be used in the passing game, realizing that Duke's value is actually decreasing because it is becoming more traditional, and the power runners like Chubb are actually becoming undervalued because defenses are designed for speed, not power. Does that make sense?

I also think there is a world where Duke's value is hella high and Dorsey is going to try to capitalize.

 

[DirtyDan]

I also understand from that aspect as well, but RB was never an issue so why add Hunt to the mix with two capable RBs?

But in addition, how can you be confident in trading Duke away when Hunt's status is questionable?

Answering my own question, knowing Dorsey's philosophy of positional value (RB is second lowest rung on his postional pyramid) and factoring in positional scarcity + cost (RBs are cheap, easy to find/replace), I understand..

Just seems like an odd move and is ushering out a player who he didn't bring in...

Without the baggage, Kareem on that contract is something every team would want. Rest of the depth chart be damned.

Chubb took most of the carries last year (12/game), Duke took 2.5 per game which is down from 5.
Kareem didn't play for the Browns last year and Duke's role shrunk considerably anyway.

I'm confident Dorsey can find an UDFA or someone off the wavier wire that can carry the ball adequately for 2-3 times a game. I agree whoever they find won't be as good as Duke, but the third string RB doesn't need to be.

The clock is ticking until Baker and Myles get extensions. Dorsey knows this is the window for a championship and he sped up the process by trading for OBJ. That is why there is an urgency to move Duke because having a well rounded team is more valuable than a receiving back that barely touches the ball.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Weren't there reports last season that Duke was unhappy with his number of touches? Even if we leave Hunt completely out of the picture, the huge addition to the receiving corps will reduce those touches even further. So whatever his value is, we won't be maximizing it.

I think there's almost no way he's on the roster at the end of the season. Either someone will offer something decent for him now, or he'll be in demand the moment the first contending team loses their starting RB.

 

[DirtyDan]

Weren't there reports last season that Duke was unhappy with his number of touches? Even if we leave Hunt completely out of the picture, the huge addition to the receiving corps will reduce those touches even further. So whatever his value is, we won't be maximizing it.

I think there's almost no way he's on the roster at the end of the season. Either someone will offer something decent for him now, or he'll be in demand the moment the first contending team loses their starting RB.

ttps://www.cleveland.com/browns/2018/10/duke_johnson_frustrated_by_his.html

"I don't think these games have to be as hard as they are,'' Johnson said. "I think I can help this team win given more opportunities.''

Back when Hue/Haley were 'running' things. Duke doesn't strike me as the type of personality to complain about touches if the team is winning games.

I would completely understand if he spoke privately with Dorsey about being traded though.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Hunt is still on his rookie contract. We have his rights. We can franchise him after his rookie contract is up. That's my understanding.

He should be a restricted free agent.

 

[Jack Brickman]

ttps://www.cleveland.com/browns/2018/10/duke_johnson_frustrated_by_his.html

"I don't think these games have to be as hard as they are,'' Johnson said. "I think I can help this team win given more opportunities.''

Back when Hue/Haley were 'running' things. Duke doesn't strike me as the type of personality to complain about touches if the team is winning games.

I would completely understand if he spoke privately with Dorsey about being traded though.

I feel like, for the most part, guys never complain when the team is winning. LeBron's teams are a joy to be on when things are going well, but he's a treacherous cunt when they're not.

Maybe Duke wants to go somewhere where he can be a bigger part of the offense, but maybe he'd rather have a lesser role on a winning team. The situation in Cleveland has changed drastically since early last season.

 

[Vee-Rex]

I'm not as attached to Duke as some of you are. His role is decreasing with all of our weapons and I say we should sell high on him while we can.

Sure, it feels cutthroat... but it's football. He can be replaced.

In fact, I really wonder about a guy we already have. Dontrell Hilliard. I've been a bit impressed by what I've seen of him so far.

People in Berea sound like they expect Kareem to be out only 8 games. Sell high on Duke and bring in someone young and explosive to compete with Hilliard. If the compensation isn't great then just keep Duke.

 

[The Voice]

I’d have to think nothing


Good to see Dorsey switching it and wearing some pants. On a more related note, he seems to connect well with players. Seems as though he himself contributes to a positive atmosphere. Cultures start from the top and it seems as though he knows that.

Even if I hated you, if you were gonna give me a multi million dollar contract and a signing bonus I’d smile from ear to ear and be friendly.

 

[Lee]

Hunt is still on his rookie contract. We have his rights. We can franchise him after his rookie contract is up. That's my understanding.

He isn't on his rookie contract, he was cut and not picked up.

But he does have 3 or less years of service after the year so he is restricted and we can slap him with the 2nd round tender.

 

[Coyote850]

He isn't on his rookie contract, he was cut and not picked up.

But he does have 3 or less years of service after the year so he is restricted and we can slap him with the 2nd round tender.

What my understanding is he has 1 year of Accrued Seasons. That means we picked up his rookie contract and control his rights until that contract is up. Please confirm Lee.

 

[sportscoach]

To me, you don't move Ogbah and Duke, unless the offer is way too good to pass up. More than likely Dorsey is hoping to upgrade other areas by moving these two guys, but if the offer isnt good we better keep them both.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I'm not as attached to Duke as some of you are. His role is decreasing with all of our weapons and I say we should sell high on him while we can.

Sure, it feels cutthroat... but it's football. He can be replaced.

RB's tend to get injured. Ideally, some team's need to replace production in the backfield will roughly coincide with Hunt come off his suspension. If that happens, then someone is going to want Duke and will trade us something good for him. That may be the time to maximize Duke's value without leaving us vulnerable if Chubb gets hurt.

I just don't see the value in someone as talented as Duke being the third RB by the end of the season.