Browns 2016 Off Season Thread

[MoFlo]

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[The Wizard of Moz]

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Best third round pick we've ever spent?

 

[bigfoot5415]

Best third round pick we've ever spent?

I looked back to the 60s and didn't see one of note...how depressing is that.

 

[Soda]

I looked back to the 60s and didn't see one of note...how depressing is that.

Ya... That Christian Kirksey guy sucks....

Shaun Lauvao is still a starting guard in the NFL. 6 years.
Chris Crocker had a solid NFL career
Daylon McCutcheon was good, albeit not for long.

If you're looking for HOFers, that's probably unfair.

 

[Lee]

I looked back to the 60s and didn't see one of note...how depressing is that.

Duke Johnson?

 

[Coyote850]

We allowed 5.9 yards per play, which was good for 27/32 and 1/10 of a yard per play from being the worst.
We allowed the 2nd most yards per game.
We are 4th last in rush yards per attempt allowed.
We are 5th last in pass yards per attempt allowed.
3rd last in sack percentage.

In other words, the core is not complete. They are clearly too young, make too many mistakes, and lack the talent to win 1-on-1 match-ups in the front 7, and lack the talent to cover anyone.

Williams will help. Time and experience will help. Health will help. Garrett will help. BUT, let's not get crazy here. Let's shoot for some timely stops and turnovers, with a defense in the top half of the league in 2 years. Nothing wrong with "fun to watch," but make sure to have patience.

With the experience our young core got this year along with a couple key additions, added to Williams scheme: I think a jump to the middle of the pack is a reasonable goal. Of course alot of that will depend on the offense also. Sustain some drives, give the defense a breather. I'm not expecting the '85 Bears, but a descent improvement should be within reach.

 

[Surge]

I looked back to the 60s and didn't see one of note...how depressing is that.

Daylon McCutcheon
Gerald Dixon
Anthony Pleasant
And Charlie Frye....

I went back to 1980

And holy shit, didn't remember Clay Matthews and Ozzie Newsome were both drafted by us in 1978 in the first round.

Good old days.

 

[Ocelot]

What were you expecting from him?

I guess I expected him to look like the best player on the defense, which admittedly may have been unfair for a player coming in mid-season. It's why I'm soliciting other opinions and observations on his performance while with the Browns.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Ya... That Christian Kirksey guy sucks....

Shaun Lauvao is still a starting guard in the NFL. 6 years.
Chris Crocker had a solid NFL career
Daylon McCutcheon was good, albeit not for long.

If you're looking for HOFers, that's probably unfair.

I'm not saying we've never made a good third round pick, but Collins is several tiers above those other guys listed.

He's an all pro LB and we for him for a 3rd round pick. That's an amazing trade

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I guess I expected him to look like the best player on the defense, which admittedly may have been unfair for a player coming in mid-season. It's why I'm soliciting other opinions and observations on his performance while with the Browns.

Who do you think looked better?

 

[Soda]

I'm not saying we've never made a good third round pick, but Collins is several tiers above those other guys listed.

He's an all pro LB and we for him for a 3rd round pick. That's an amazing trade

Oh, I'm not disagreeing there. I am very happy about the trade, but it stands independent to the point I'm making.

To say that there have been no "notable" players drafted by the Browns in the 3rd round since the 60's isn't an intelligent conclusion. And if someone doesn't think Kirksey is a good player, then I don't know if it's worth engaging them in rational discussion as the rationale is probably, "lol, 1-15".

 

[SixPACK]

 

[Pick6]

Who do you think looked better?

Kirksey. Ogbah finished the season strong too. Don't take that or below as me not wanting or trying to discredit Collins though. Pay the man. Btw...someone needs to start a 2017 offseason thread.

 

[Ocelot]

Who do you think looked better?

I thought Ogbah looked more impressive rushing off the edge and thought Kirksey generally performed better in coverage and run support. Not that those two looked better by a huge margin but in my lazy anecdotal observation they both looked like they outperformed Collins during his time with the Browns...

It sounds like everyone else saw differently that I did so I either missed or discounted the impact he was making. I'll have to do a better job of paying attention to him next season.

 

[Soda]

Can't help but wonder if this had anything to do with his lack of carries.