Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[Cavatt]

ok

why does a starting point guard need to LEARN how to PASS and set up teammates? isnt that basic FUNDAMENTAL basketball?

what's next? a fireman who needs to learn that water puts out the fire?

Cedi is a sick passer and some of his passes don't work at the NBA level. Theres also no spacing on this team.

 

[benchplayer]

Cedi is a sick passer and some of his passes don't work at the NBA level. Theres also no spacing on this team.

This is because none of our 4's or 5's have any reliable range, which would open up the court. I think Sexton is gonna explode when love comes back.

 

[CleveRocks]

ok

why does a starting point guard need to LEARN how to PASS and set up teammates? isnt that basic FUNDAMENTAL basketball?

what's next? a fireman who needs to learn that water puts out the fire?

He needs to learn those things playing with NBA class athletes and against professional defenses.. not the same thing as college at all. Here, everybody is as athletic as the best athlete on any team he played against. They are longer taller faster and better at basketball generally.

He has speed and a really good handle in traffic, and these things will play well as he learns to recognize what the defense is giving him.. but it takes time to understand how to attack every team..

I will also say that against big and tall teams like Philly or the kings, the team is going to struggle. Nance is the only guy we have to match up and he is minutes limited..

When Tristan returns or even if Henson returns we will be more competitive..

If you look at games we played close or won, we did it by getting more shots off than the other guys.. that was rebounding and steals and few turnovers..

 

[Futuredome]

He needs to learn those things playing with NBA class athletes and against professional defenses.. not the same thing as college at all. Here, everybody is as athletic as the best athlete on any team he played against. They are longer taller faster and better at basketball generally.

He has speed and a really good handle in traffic, and these things will play well as he learns to recognize what the defense is giving him.. but it takes time to understand how to attack every team..

I will also say that against big and tall teams like Philly or the kings, the team is going to struggle. Nance is the only guy we have to match up and he is minutes limited..

When Tristan returns or even if Henson returns we will be more competitive..

If you look at games we played close or won, we did it by getting more shots off than the other guys.. that was rebounding and steals and few turnovers..

Lol, nope.

 

[TitleTown]

a fireman who needs to learn that water puts out the fire?

So, you really are as dumb as your writing suggests...

Do you think water is the only aspect of putting out a fire? Do firemen have to train, learn more specialized skills, learn how to deal with increasingly difficult situations, and learn the many different kinds of fires and dangers they'll face?

Are you suggesting that they simply take a new fireman and just put him in the middle of a forest fire with some water and no training? Because, according to your simplistic analogy, a person should "just get it" without having to actually learn anything. If that is what you are saying, then you are not talking about development or learning at all.

Sexton is 19 years old, and he's already shown immense improvement. Based on the improvement we've already seen, I think it's fair to conclude that we should be patient and see if he KEEPS IMPROVING.

Does he need to improve his passing and playmaking? Yes, absolutely. But people who want to limit a 19 year old's ceiling after 30ish games of NBA level basketball are jumping to conclusions far too early. Do I think he's going to become the best playmaking PG ever? No, I don't think so, but I also think he could be above average if he decides to really prioritize it.

That said, I'm 100% fine with him prioritizing his scoring right now, especially with the dumpster fire rotation the coaches currently have around him. In fact, it's possible that the coaches are ENCOURAGING him to focus on his scoring first, in order to help him feel more comfortable with the speed of the NBA.

To make strong pronouncements about what he's capable of doing in the future seems premature to me. Especially when we've seen him improve greatly at every level, including the NBA.

 

[Rodzilla]

Are you suggesting that they simply take a new fireman and just put him in the middle of a forest fire with some water and no training? Because, according to your simplistic analogy, a person should "just get it" without having to actually learn anything. If that is what you are saying, then you are not talking about development or learning at all

no according to my analogy the nba is an elite fire department and every nba player should get at least most of it by the time they make it to the nba

all im saying is you can accelerate his learning process, im assuming that he likes money and playing in the nba so you can explain to him that he can either start playing good basketball or he can watch delly play good basketball from the bench

 

[cavsfever]

sorry, wrong thread

 

[Cavatt]

This is because none of our 4's or 5's have any reliable range, which would open up the court. I think Sexton is gonna explode when love comes back.

Delly seems to be the most reliable 3 point shooter if you don't count Collin due to his miniscule attempts.

I forgot how bad spacing can hurt you, but the reason no one on this team can "finish" is that the paint is super crowded. Cedi was better at finishing last year because the spacing was a million times better.

Agreed our 4's and 5's are trouble but really our 2-5's are trouble when it comes to spacing.

 

[TitleTown]

no according to my analogy the nba is an elite fire department and every nba player should get at least most of it by the time they make it to the nba

all im saying is you can accelerate his learning process, im assuming that he likes money and playing in the nba so you can explain to him that he can either start playing good basketball or he can watch delly play good basketball from the bench

So, you think that NBA players, on average, should come into the league and "just get most of it" right away during the first 30 games of their rookie season?

And that, if they don't get it right away, you can "accelerate" their "learning" by benching them?

Wow. Genius. The Cavs should hire you.

Also, have some respect for this board, we have minimum standards for writing here.

 

[Douglar]

We also try to avoid personal attacks

 

[Cavatt]

So, you think that NBA players, on average, should come into the league and "just get most of it" right away during the first 30 games of their rookie season?

And that, if they don't get it right away, you can "accelerate" their "learning" by benching them?

Wow. Genius. The Cavs should hire you.

Also, have some respect for this board, we have minimum standards for writing here.

Weird how the all around OK at everything guys don't get snapped up. The medium at everything guys are the ones that turn into the real stars right?

 

[TitleTown]

We also try to avoid personal attacks

I wasn't aware that "gen pop" was even moderated any more. Since the super cool secret forum is where everyone goes now.

When "Cavs Talk" was actually populated by good, caring posters, the quality was much higher and personal insults were less necessary.

But since y'all just stay away, we handle this shit ourselves. Thanks.

 

[TitleTown]

Weird how the all around OK at everything guys don't get snapped up. The medium at everything guys are the ones that turn into the real stars right?

I don't know. That's a good question. Jimmy Butler comes to mind as a guy who was OK at everything for his entire career, until he made a huge leap. Oladipo is another. And there are lots of other guys who are really good at one thing, but really weak in many others.

I'm not sure how I'd categorize Sexton, who seems to be a good athlete, but I'm not sure of what his real potential is.

What do you think?

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Lol

 

[Cavatt]

I don't know. That's a good question. Jimmy Butler comes to mind as a guy who was OK at everything for his entire career, until he made a huge leap. Oladipo is another. And there are lots of other guys who are really good at one thing, but really weak in many others.

I'm not sure how I'd categorize Sexton, who seems to be a good athlete, but I'm not sure of what his real potential is.

What do you think?

Scoring. He is a natural scorer. We can talk about how he isn't elite at anything, but he has only had one game where he didn't score in double figures as a starter and it was against arguably the best D in the league in Milwaukee. His efficiency has not taken a nosedive like a lot of people expected and foretold. If he can keep up his efficiency we have a legit offensive weapon IMO.

I think with some spacing and a go around in the league, he is going to be a really strong scoring guard.

Scoring is still the #1 coveted skill no matter what people say.

He gives effort on D, so I think he will at least be average there in time. Obviously, he is not a huge guy, so asking him to guard bigs is not great, but I love the way he fronts a guy in the post. His issues defensively right now are strength, not knowing the league, and he is not very smart about angles and cutting guys off with his body position. He can improve that a lot.

Playmaking is his biggest question mark right now. He has shown the ability to make some good passes out of the pick and roll and is really good in transition if he doesn't have the lane to the basket. Those are good signs that he can work on this.

He is only scratching the surface with his athleticism. He is going to draw more fouls like the one he got on Giannis where he exploded to the rim. He still seems unsure when to take it like that. He is still probing a little more than just going for it. He has been using his speed pretty selectively. He was a blur on that second layup he made in the 2nd half against Milwaukee. I think we will see more of that as he improves his handle, which by the way, he has already improved his handle quite a bit. He is not getting the ball poked away because he is exposing it later.

I've got my fingers crossed for a De'aaron fox like progression where he looks a lot better next year after an off season working on his body working out with trainers and vets. They are very close statistically except for assists and steals. Fox is better in those areas. Even with the people saying "Sexton never takes 3P shots" he is already at 2 a game for the season. Fox had 2.1 last season. No reason to be worried.

Playmaking is the big question. I'd like him to go from 2-5 by next year. I don't think that is impossible.