Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[Rodzilla]

So, you think that NBA players, on average, should come into the league and "just get most of it" right away during the first 30 games of their rookie season?

And that, if they don't get it right away, you can "accelerate" their "learning" by benching them?

Wow. Genius. The Cavs should hire you.

Also, have some respect for this board, we have minimum standards for writing here.

i dont understand what is so controversial about any of that?

so you think rookies should just come in and play as they feel like

cleveland cavs the new basketball learning center, "here at the cavs you can come in, learn how to play in the nba at your own pace and we will pay you to do it"

and dont disrespect my culture, in australia we dont teach capital letters in school, we think they are overrated

 

[Cavatt]

i dont understand what is so controversial about any of that?

so you think rookies should just come in and play as they feel like

cleveland cavs the new basketball learning center, "here at the cavs you can come in, learn how to play in the nba at your own pace and we will pay you to do it"

and dont disrespect my culture, in australia we dont teach capital letters in school, we think they are overrated

The real answer is that it is easier to make a player that is elite at something better at other things, than it is to make a well-rounded player into a star that is elite at one thing.

 

[Dshuks]

6/13 shooting and 12-1-0 overall...
Not a horrible game but an invisible one for sure.

 

[inliner311]

6/13 shooting and 12-1-0 overall...
Not a horrible game but an invisible one for sure.

I wish we had stats of possessions on the floor tonight that he didn't get to touch the ball.

 

[Douglar]

and dont disrespect my culture, in australia we dont teach capital letters in school, we think they are overrated

ee cummings approves.

I know most people want to get Sexton plenty of court time so that he can learn from his mistakes, but sometimes it seems like he's making the same mistake over and over again with no penalty. It riled the veterans early in the season when they realized that the coaching staff wasn't going to cut back his playing time, so they lashed out at him in public and Sexton seemed to make some improvements afterwards. He seems to have hit the rookie wall as of late. 5 games averaging -17 in 32 minutes is pretty hard. He's going to need to do something that's not in his scouting report if he wants to get better.

 

[Alpoe]

Pretty alarming when your point guard has 19 games of 2 assists or less when he is averaging 30 minutes a night. Nobody expected him to be Chris Paul, but his lack of playmaking skills is alarming for sure. Usually by now if you have good vision and passing skills, you would show something by now. I don't think this is something that will improve drastically over time either. You either have it or you don't.

 

[inliner311]

ee cummings approves.

I know most people want to get Sexton plenty of court time so that he can learn from his mistakes, but sometimes it seems like he's making the same mistake over and over again with no penalty. It riled the veterans early in the season when they realized that the coaching staff wasn't going to cut back his playing time, so they lashed out at him in public and Sexton seemed to make some improvements afterwards. He seems to have hit the rookie wall as of late. 5 games averaging -17 in 32 minutes is pretty hard. He's going to need to do something that's not in his scouting report if he wants to get better.

I do think Sexton does need to keep evolving his game. I actually thought Sexton was playing his best with lineup of Sexton-Hood-Nwaba-Cedi-TT. TT had finally bought into helping Sexton once JR was gone. Nwaba is happy doing all the little things and doesn't need the ball in his hands. Hood even seem to buy into the idea of letting Sexton set him up alittle. Cedi and Hood just seem to follow the lead of the players. I think inserting Burks and now Nance into the starting lineup just doesn't give Sexton the chances to work on his game and evolve.

I haven't been the biggest fan of TT for the last couple years but he does look like the big to pair with Sexton for now. I see the leadership from him now and he allows Sexton the possessions to work on his game.

 

[David.]

He's pg Wiggins

 

[Cavatt]

This is so stupid guys. He either attacks or gives up the ball to a big who does a dribble hand off. His opportunities aren't like Nance. Nance literally holds the ball longer per possession than Sexton.

I suppose you guys are mad that he isn't dumping the ball off at the rim. It's about the only assist opportunity he has.

Nance has guys run action all around him while he hold the ball high until he sees something he likes.

This is our offense, it's designed to get the ball out of his hands

 

[inliner311]

This is so stupid guys. He either attacks or gives up the ball to a big who does a dribble hand off. His opportunities aren't like Nance. Nance literally holds the ball longer per possession than Sexton.

I suppose you guys are mad that he isn't dumping the ball off at the rim. It's about the only assist opportunity he has.

Nance has guys run action all around him while he hold the ball high until he sees something he likes.

This is our offense, it's designed to get the ball out of his hands

You can see Sexton call for the ball alot of times when he sees the play isn't there and gets ignored. He seems to see it break down before the person with the ball even does or they are just willing to put up a bad shot instead of letting Sexton run another play.

We just have too many guys that eat up the shot clock to make a play at the moment and not enough spot up shooters. It eats away at the number of possessions and time Sexton has the ball in his hands, which just hurts his development.

 

[Rich]

This is so stupid guys. He either attacks or gives up the ball to a big who does a dribble hand off. His opportunities aren't like Nance. Nance literally holds the ball longer per possession than Sexton.

I suppose you guys are mad that he isn't dumping the ball off at the rim. It's about the only assist opportunity he has.

Nance has guys run action all around him while he hold the ball high until he sees something he likes.

This is our offense, it's designed to get the ball out of his hands

So why can Delly find assists?

Like he's just not seeing the court well right now and there's currently a better player sitting behind him.

Its ok. Season is lost anyway.develop him. But Sexton is his own biggest enemy right now.

 

[Cavatt]

So why can Delly find assists?

Like he's just not seeing the court well right now and there's currently a better player sitting behind him.

Its ok. Season is lost anyway.develop him. But Sexton is his own biggest enemy right now.

Do you see Delly higing it up top of the key to a big who does a drive hand off to a guard? Right, I didn't think so .

It's not like the ball is sticking. Sexton is giving it up to a guy on the perimeter who either drives or give it to a big for a dribble hand off. People are like WTF, TT is getting assists? It's because of the way the offense is designed. He isn't suddenly a great passer. Nance is a legit good passes but he also dominated the ball. Prove to me he held the ball less than Sexton tonight.

Delly runs the offense as a traditional pg. Just watch the game and you can tell what is happening.

Delly is 28, he's almost 10 years older than Sexton

 

[Dr. Claw]

I still think he's better than Wiggins, because people kept talking as if he were the "Next Killer Wing" the same way they did Harrison freakin' Barnes. But I won't lie, I'm not liking what I've seen the last couple of games. It doesn't help that the team moves poorly off the ball, but Clarkson of all people has more assists to his name.

As for off-the ball movement, tonight I saw a lot of Dion Waiters action when he didn't have the ball, a lot of "give me the ball motion" and staying in place.

I dunno what needs to change, but something does. Agree with the TT/Sexton pairing. Maybe Kevin Love will do as well in a similar role. I wasn't honestly expecting Nance to be the anti-Donkeylips out there

 

[inliner311]

Do you see Delly higing it up top of the key to a big who does a drive hand off to a guard? Right, I didn't think so .

It's not like the ball is sticking. Sexton is giving it up to a guy on the perimeter who either drives or give it to a big for a dribble hand off. People are like WTF, TT is getting assists? It's because of the way the offense is designed. He isn't suddenly a great passer. Nance is a legit good passes but he also dominated the ball. Prove to me he held the ball less than Sexton tonight.

Delly runs the offense as a traditional pg. Just watch the game and you can tell what is happening.

Delly is also getting the respect of the players to run the offense. Guys are willing to give up the ball when Delly calls for it. They aren't doing the same thing for Sexton. Frye might have been the only guy that was willing to work with Sexton tonight.

What I'm seeing is the same as you. If this was football, they would be running the wildcat like the Dolphin's did back in 2008. Nance would be Ronnie Brown, Hood/Burks would be Ricky Williams, and Sexton would be Chad Pennington. They are putting Sexton out like a WR most of the time to move him back to QB for random plays.

 

[inliner311]

I still think he's better than Wiggins, because people kept talking as if he were the "Next Killer Wing" the same way they did Harrison freakin' Barnes. But I won't lie, I'm not liking what I've seen the last couple of games. It doesn't help that the team moves poorly off the ball, but Clarkson of all people has more assists to his name.

As for off-the ball movement, tonight I saw a lot of Dion Waiters action when he didn't have the ball, a lot of "give me the ball motion" and staying in place.

I dunno what needs to change, but something does. Agree with the TT/Sexton pairing. Maybe Kevin Love will do as well in a similar role. I wasn't honestly expecting Nance to be the anti-Donkeylips out there

I always thought Dion was more PG than SG. The problem here is Sexton is suppose to be our PG of the future and it's not like we have Kyrie hogging the ball. It's Nance, Clarkson, Hood, and the last few game Burks has got into the action.

Nance won't have a higher ceiling as a point forward than Sexton does as a PG vs a undersized SG. There needs to be some priority to the development of these players. I think it was fine for Nance to try to become a better passer with the second unit, it wasn't hurting anyone's development. It just shouldn't be done to this extent with the starters and playing with Sexton.