Dwight Howard Tracker

[gourimoko]

I'm not ignoring Dwight Howard's problems. I'm asking you how can any team defend that font line.

I'm not sure how you think Love/Howard is automatic. Howard is not an offensive juggernaut ( ).. Both he and Love are most effective in the low post.. You going to play both of them there?

I think what Howard gives us is 90% on the defensive side of the floor, in that he can clean up after we get beat off the dribble. He can alter shots. That's what Howard gives us.

Offensively, I suppose if he and Love developed some sense of working in concert in the low post, that might work, but with both of them there, you've killed your spacing for LeBron - and with Love out on the perimeter, you've killed his most important offensive tools (he's better in the low post).

I mean other teams have to defend us to you know. Like you said the Warriors would put Dwight in Pnr but are they not gonna play Bogut with Dwight and Love out there. They won last year against an unhealthy Cavs team.

Warriors 4th quarter ball with Draymond forces Howard off the floor, unless you're going to concede one of their group getting consistent open looks.

I hear you when you say they playing better this year but it's the same personnel and Curry is till not playing defense.

He's not playing defense because Walton/Kerr have decided he shouldn't, not because he can't.

Insert Kyrie and that neutralizes Curry.

Curry won't guard Irving unless he finds himself on him after a switch. Klay Thompson will be guarding Kyrie. I think the Warriors will end up doubling Kyrie and trying to trap, forcing him to play off the ball.

yes i agree that Draymond Green has gotten better and is an All Start this year but he was guarding tristan Thompson not Kevin Love. Don't give those dudes a pass for beating our second string plus Lebron.

You keep talking about last year though.

I'm asking do they even play the same with Kyrie and Love in the lineup.

I'm not referring to last year, I'm talking about the Golden State Warriors that have only lost 1 game so far this season.

They will go small, super-small. Howard has no place on the floor in that instance. They will pick-and-roll us to death, Howard sucks and the PnR; Thompson is literally elite at defending the PnR. They will play out at the perimeter, Howard doesn't have value out at the perimeter. They will swing the ball and exploit our mismatch if we play Howard. They will maximize offensive efficiency because of our decision to play someone who doesn't matchup with anyone else.

In the meantime, Howard provides what on the opposite end of the floor? Unless you think he's going to dogwalk Draymond to the hoop, which he didn't last year, then I'm not sure what his purpose is?

 

[Randolphkeys]

Dwight Howard was playing with nerve damage to his left leg last year. When healthy, he has been very mobile. The question is the extent of his injury going forward.

 

[Los216]

I'm not sure how you think Love/Howard is automatic. Howard is not an offensive juggernaut ( ).. Both he and Love are most effective in the low post.. You going to play both of them there?

I think what Howard gives us is 90% on the defensive side of the floor, in that he can clean up after we get beat off the dribble. He can alter shots. That's what Howard gives us.

Offensively, I suppose if he and Love developed some sense of working in concert in the low post, that might work, but with both of them there, you've killed your spacing for LeBron - and with Love out on the perimeter, you've killed his most important offensive tools (he's better in the low post).



Warriors 4th quarter ball with Draymond forces Howard off the floor, unless you're going to concede one of their group getting consistent open looks.



He's not playing defense because Walton/Kerr have decided he shouldn't, not because he can't.



Curry won't guard Irving unless he finds himself on him after a switch. Klay Thompson will be guarding Kyrie. I think the Warriors will end up doubling Kyrie and trying to trap, forcing him to play off the ball.



You keep talking about last year though.



I'm not referring to last year, I'm talking about the Golden State Warriors that have only lost 1 game so far this season.

They will go small, super-small. Howard has no place on the floor in that instance. They will pick-and-roll us to death, Howard sucks and the PnR; Thompson is literally elite at defending the PnR. They will play out at the perimeter, Howard doesn't have value out at the perimeter. They will swing the ball and exploit our mismatch if we play Howard. They will maximize offensive efficiency because of our decision to play someone who doesn't matchup with anyone else.

In the meantime, Howard provides what on the opposite end of the floor? Unless you think he's going to dogwalk Draymond to the hoop, which he didn't last year, then I'm not sure what his purpose is?

I keep talking about last year because they are the same team. They only thing they are doing better this season is Shooting. Iggy is shooting better and Draymond has improved.

As far as who I would concede open shots to it's still Iggy regardless how good he's shooting right now. I still don't think Draymond is s real threat shooting from the outside just yet but he's gotten better. Did you forget how bad Draymond shot when we left him open in the finals. Again I know he's improved but you have to add the fact that he'll be defending Love now and not TT.

If Curry doesn't guard Kyrie where are they gonna hide him They hid him on Delly last season but who now? They gonna hide him on Shump or JR cause both of them will cook him. Also Klay thompson is prone to getting into foul trouble. They can put him on Kyrie but he's gonna have to stick to him.

That will leave Iggy 1 on 1 with Lebron advantage Cavs there.

 

[Brandname]

Just want to take a moment to make sure none of us ever forget this glorious interview:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y08gvGpGCwA

 

[shoes22]

I admire you guys discussing the pros and cons of bringing Dwight Howard to this team, but if you think Houston would accept a deal of Shumpert and Tristan for Dwight, or really ANY trade scenario that doesn't include one of our big 3, you're nuts.

 

[gourimoko]

I keep talking about last year because they are the same team. They only thing they are doing better this season is Shooting. Iggy is shooting better and Draymond has improved.

I think that's a bit of an understatement. You haven't mentioned the fact that Curry has improved dramatically.

As far as who I would concede open shots to it's still Iggy regardless how good he's shooting right now.

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I still don't think Draymond is s real threat shooting from the outside just yet but he's gotten better. Did you forget how bad Draymond shot when we left him open in the finals. Again I know he's improved but you have to add the fact that he'll be defending Love now and not TT.

I'm not sure why you think Draymond is going to have a hard time shooting. Most teams would drool for a PF/C that's dropping 37.5% of his shots from behind the arc and can still bang out in the low post.

If Curry doesn't guard Kyrie where are they gonna hide him They hid him on Delly last season but who now?

Delly, Smith, Shumpert.

They gonna hide him on Shump or JR cause both of them will cook him.

You can't be serious.

Also Klay thompson is prone to getting into foul trouble. They can put him on Kyrie but he's gonna have to stick to him.

Klay is a pretty damn good perimeter defender. He's not going to stop Kyrie, but that's not the point is it.

That will leave Iggy 1 on 1 with Lebron advantage Cavs there.

Sure we do, I don't think we're necessarily at a disadvantage. But nowhere here did you even mention Howard.

 

[gourimoko]

I admire you guys discussing the pros and cons of bringing Dwight Howard to this team, but if you think Houston would accept a deal of Shumpert and Tristan for Dwight, or really ANY trade scenario that doesn't include one of our big 3, you're nuts.

I think the question is, what is the best trade offer Houston can get?

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

Fully healthy, this team is perfectly-constructed. Save for TT's inflated ass, I wouldn't part with anybody for coach-firing, team-corroding, injury-plagued, wrong-side-of-30 Howard's ass nor do we have any feasible way of obtaining him.

Soooo....could we shut this thread down please?

 

[Jordan]

I know I just posted this in the other thread but I feel like it's worth sharing in here.

My new website post is up!

What is Dwight Howard's Value in Today's NBA? - http://sportsbystats.com/2015/12/18/what-is-dwight-howards-value-in-todays-nba/

 

[Triumph36]

saw this mentioned a few days ago but: dwight is an absolute lock for the hall of fame. first ballet and it won't be close.

 

[shoes22]

saw this mentioned a few days ago but: dwight is an absolute lock for the hall of fame. first ballet and it won't be close.

Yeah, but it'll be entirely based on the five year span of 2007-2012 in Orlando.
Anything after that has been and will be completely irrelevant.

 

[godfather]

I admire you guys discussing the pros and cons of bringing Dwight Howard to this team, but if you think Houston would accept a deal of Shumpert and Tristan for Dwight, or really ANY trade scenario that doesn't include one of our big 3, you're nuts.

I don't think his value is as high as you'd think. I am not saying they'd accept that offer.

But why would any team, with any common sense, offer real value? Do you think the Heat would offer Whiteside?

They'd be insane to do that. Just stupid. I don't think Howard right now is arguably better than Whiteside either.

I'd give them Tristan in a heart beat for Howard, but no I wouldn't include Shump. That's right, I'm saying it.

Gour's point is valid, Howard doesn't help us at all against GS.

He's no longer a great player, but still very good. He has durability issues. We NEED a guy like Shump on this team. We can't afford to downgrade our wing players, and expect to beat a team like GS.

As for Dwight, you got to also consider the fact, even if you're a fan of his talent/fit. This guy is a real head case. Teams implode around him.

He's a headache. Drama and discontent follow him around.

I don't think anyone would offer significant value for him. I think you'd be dumb to do that.

The guy is 30 years old, on the clear decline, has obvious health issues, serious ones. He's a guy you'd take for low value.

This isn't the same guy from 4 years ago, where his value was sky high.

 

[shoes22]

I don't think his value is as high as you'd think. I am not saying they'd accept that offer.

But why would any team, with any common sense, offer real value? Do you think the Heat would offer Whiteside?

They'd be insane to do that. Just stupid. I don't think Howard right now is arguably better than Whiteside either.

I'd give them Tristan in a heart beat for Howard, but no I wouldn't include Shump. That's right, I'm saying it.

Gour's point is valid, Howard doesn't help us at all against GS.

He's no longer a great player, but still very good. He has durability issues. We NEED a guy like Shump on this team. We can't afford to downgrade our wing players, and expect to beat a team like GS.

As for Dwight, you got to also consider the fact, even if you're a fan of his talent/fit. This guy is a real head case. Teams implode around him.

He's a headache. Drama and discontent follow him around.

I don't think anyone would offer significant value for him. I think you'd be dumb to do that.

The guy is 30 years old, on the clear decline, has obvious health issues, serious ones. He's a guy you'd take for low value.

This isn't the same guy from 4 years ago, where his value was sky high.

From a trade perspective I agree, Dwight’s value isn’t that high, due to the reasons you just described. (As a free agent I’d differ a little bit, because I still think multiple franchises would pay him max money if they had the cap space.) All I was saying was Houston would not even entertain a package for Dwight centered around Tristan and Shump.

I also disagree about Miami not offering Whiteside for Howard. I think they would, the main reason being the complicated nature of Whiteside’s free agency this coming offseason. There’s little chance of retaining him, and I think Miami would rather take their chances with Howard.

 

[godfather]

Well let's hope they would, because that would be a terrible trade. I'd take Whiteside in a minute over Howard at this point.

I agree, Houston wouldn't accept that trade and I wouldn't either if I'm the Cavs.

Value wise, it's very fair. But we don't even need Dwight. We do need Shump.

 

[Cavatt]

Think about this. Orlando wouldn't trade Vucevic for him straight up! They were supposedly the ones to lose that trade, and they would not even trade the guy they have back for this many time allstar. Isn't that all there is to say?