Kyrie Irving Trade Ideas

[David.]

The most frustrating thing about Kyrie's defense is that he proved on that last play that he can play really solid defense when he wants, meaning that it's all about effort.

This playoff run will hopefully show that as the opponents get tougher or the situation calls for it we see more effort on that end of the floor from Kyrie, but I guess only time will tell.

It seemed like Reggie got by him a couple times on that play but was lasered in on going to the line

Most of the criticism this year has been in iso situations, like that, and how he defends pick and rolls, which wasn't on display on that play


Regardless, those plays are much less of an issue if we pick up a 3d player as @jking948 wrote

 

[spydy13]

It seemed like Reggie got by him a couple times on that play but was lasered in on going to the line

Most of the criticism this year has been in iso situations, like that, and how he defends pick and rolls, which wasn't on display on that play


Regardless, those plays are much less of an issue if we pick up a 3d player as @jking948 wrote

Oh I know that all of his problems weren't displayed there, but it still shows, at least to me, that Kyrie's problem isn't about not being physically able to play defense (as some might argue with Love) but that he just doesn't give the effort to do it. My question on that is does it occur because LeBron/Lue tell him to "save himself" for O or if it's just Kyrie having the "my offense is my defense" mindset?

As for getting another (or true since Shump lacks in the 3 part) 3 and D, it sure can't hurt.

 

[czvo]

So had that play not been at the last second, do we think Kyrie's slap gets called?

Not to say I feel bad about it. The fact that Drummond got NOTHING for punching LeBron in the jugular reprieved us from feeling any kind of guilt whatsoever over potential last second superstar (non)-calls.

And PS LeBron got very few of them.

I really didn't think Kyrie even touched him. And if he did, Jackson still jumped into him to try and create contact. Hard to call a foul on a guy who's actively trying to get out of the way like Kyrie was.

ETA: The league agrees with me.

View: https://twitter.com/ejmaroun/status/724702255283204096

 

[gourimoko]

Guys...

Please let's stop the narrative, right here, that Irving had a bad defensive series. I don't think there's much analytical evidence to suggest he did, at least compared to his peers.

Defensively, here's how our 4 guards faired against Detroit over the series:

Rank / Player            Opp FG%      DFGM/A     Diff%   
1. Matthew Dellevadova     47.8%     2.8/5.8      +4.3
2. Kyrie Irving            51.6%     4.0/7.8      +8.2
3. JR Smith                52.9%     4.5/8.5      +9.4
4. Iman Shumpert           62.5%     3.8/6.0     +18.1

So.. none of our guards were particularly effective at stopping Detroit; and we can only criticize Irving if we're just as ready to criticize the rest of them, particularly JR Smith and Iman Shumpert; also note that the Pistons took more shots against Smith, and Shumpert on a per game or per minute basis.

So from opponent efficiency stats, it's simply a false narrative.

And this is why using raw +/- is such a misleading statistic for individual comparison.

And with respect to overall opponent shooting efficiency, you can see above that Irving wasn't the primary cause of the problem; but, it would be fair to say that when he was on the floor teams shot better against us.

Irving ON, Opponent TS% = 58.9% (+6.3% from James)
Irving OFF, Opponent TS% = 44.7%

But I think the more important observable here is the effect LeBron James had on the entire team defense:

James ON, Opponent TS% = 53.6% (-6.3% from Irving)
James OFF, Opponent TS% = 68.8% !!

So what's going on here?

The top 5 players correlated with LeBron James being OFF the floor are:
1) Richard Jefferson ~ 25 mins / 47 P
2) Kyrie Irving ~ 24 mins / 45 P
3) Matthew Dellevadova ~ 18 mins / 36 P
4) Kevin Love ~ 18 mins / 33 P
5) J.R. Smith ~ 15 mins / 27 P

The top 3 5-man units correlated with LeBron James being OFF the floor are:
1) Irving-Delly-Smith-Jefferson-Love 5.6M/12P
2) Delly-Irving-Shumpert-Jefferson-Mozgov 4.0M/8P
3) Irving-Smith-Jefferson-Love-Thompson 4.6M/7P

All three of these lineups are quite poor defensively, and not simply because of Irving; but because Mozgov and Love aren't protecting the rim, and Jefferson is being run over.

In my view, it's just not accurate to conclude that Irving was the primary weakness on defense.

p.s.
Wrong thread... fucking trade threads.

 

[Nphan]

Now that his trade value is at an all time high.. do you guys think we can get more than Chris Paul?

Kyrie, Shump er for Paul a 1st round pick?







I kid.. I kid.. do not trade this man.

 

[Cratylus]

Russell Westbrook, Kevin Durant, Steven Adams, Serge Ibaka + 2 first rounders?

 

[gourimoko]

Russell Westbrook, Kevin Durant, Steven Adams, Serge Ibaka + 2 first rounders?

I'm hanging up unless they clone Michael Jordan.

 

[Tlyons]

That last performance was akin to pulling the plug and ending whatever life support this thread was on.

Time of death: when Kyrie took Klay Thompson to the post and abused him for that 3pt play.

 

[Dr. Claw]

Up in complete smoke after he helps the Cavs to their 1st of a number of NBA Championships.

 

[Zeus69]

Lock this shit.

 

[wuck]