2017-2018 Boston Celtics: No Irving! No Hayward! No Brooklyn Pick!

[gourimoko]

He's not going anywhere because nobody better is available. If Anthony Davis tomorrow says he doesn't want to play for the pelicans anymore i'm dangling Kyrie.

Ty.. Anthony Davis isn't getting traded... I'm not really sure why you're still on this? There was one player that potentially made some modicum of sense, that was Butler, and that really only made sense if you could also get Paul George.

Butler was traded -- so, that's it.. it's over.

And with that said, Irving was almost assuredly never offered, or considered for a trade. He's not getting traded. And there are no players better (all things considered, including contract, fit, role) than Kyrie that are on the market.

So I'm not sure what the point of your last few posts are?

 

[godfather]

I would not trade Kyrie for Westbrook and Harden. No, I wouldn't. Yes, they're better, no arguments from me.

But as good as they are, they really, really, show you ways to hurt you in big games. Westbrook turns the ball so much, and is very inefficient at times.

And Harden. I mean, you have an elimination game, at home. No Leonard. And your team not only gets destroyed. You literally do, nothing, at all.

I know it's just one game, but he's had a lot of moments like this, maybe not as bad.

And how could you ever trust him. Say what you want about Kyrie. Sure, he doesn't always defend. He might not always pass. But, when can we pinpoint him having 10 frickin' points (unless he was injured) and being literally that bad, in a big game?

Kyrie might not be great all the time, but he's not going to stink it up that bad. He'll almost always give you 17-20 points, even if it's not efficient.

Even in game 2, when people thought he was awful, and he was. He still gave us 19 points 7 assists, and 2 steals.

That's not a bad floor to have.

 

[TyGuy]

Ty.. Anthony Davis isn't getting traded... I'm not really sure why you're still on this? There was one player that potentially made some modicum of sense, that was Butler, and that really only made sense if you could also get Paul George.

Butler was traded -- so, that's it.. it's over.

And with that said, Irving was almost assuredly never offered, or considered for a trade. He's not getting traded. And there are no players better (all things considered, including contract, fit, role) than Kyrie that are on the market.

So I'm not sure what the point of your last few posts are?

People here are irrational about Kyrie Irving. 7 people disagreed with my statement that said "Kyrie Irving isn't good enough to be untouchable." Now is that statement at all false? If not it's pretty irrational to disagree with it, but 7 people did.

 

[ice cream man]

Some of you think Jimmy Butler is a better overall player than Kyrie??

Come on...

If we're talking strictly about talent, Kyrie is top 5 in the NBA.

The most talented point guard of all time in my opinion. Notice I didn't say he is the smartest, but most talented. Offensively Jimmy Butler is better at nothing. And it's not like Jimmy is Mr. Consistency at the offensive end either. You don't trade a talent like Kyrie to fill in a defensive hole, even if it is with a nice two way player. Kyrie is literally unstoppable at times.

Now the way we use Kevin Love against GS? That's replaceable. That's why the Cavs are willing to move him to fill that "2-way wing" hole, even though Kevin Love also has a ton of talent.

I've thought for a while now that Jimmy Butler is overrated. He cannot be a top 2 player on a championship team. He is not on the same level as Paul George.

 

[godfather]

Some of you think Jimmy Butler is a better overall player than Kyrie??

Come on...

If we're talking strictly about talent, Kyrie is top 5 in the NBA.

The most talented point guard of all time in my opinion. Notice I didn't say he is the smartest, but most talented. Offensively Jimmy Butler is better at nothing. And it's not like Jimmy is Mr. Consistency at the offensive end either. You don't trade a talent like Kyrie to fill in a defensive hole, even if it is with a nice two way player. Kyrie is literally unstoppable at times.

Now the way we use Kevin Love against GS? That's replaceable. That's why the Cavs are willing to move him to fill that "2-way wing" hole, even though Kevin Love also has a ton of talent.

I've thought for a while now that Jimmy Butler is overrated. He cannot be a top 2 player on a championship team. He is not on the same level as Paul George.

Yeah, people are really, really, overrating Paul George.

To think Butler isn't even on the same level is absurd.

 

[gourimoko]

People here are irrational about Kyrie Irving. 7 people disagreed with my statement that said "Kyrie Irving isn't good enough to be untouchable." Now is that statement at all false? If not it's pretty irrational to disagree with it, but 7 people did.

I think Kyrie Irving is "untouchable" in the sense that if I'm not offered a Godfather deal, then he's not going anywhere...

I think swapping Irving/Love for Butler/George under contract is pretty close to a Godfather deal.

I think swapping Irving for Anthony Davis or ... Kawhi Leonard is a Godfather deal...

But we're talking about franchise players that are NEVER going to be traded. So he's "untouchable" in any practical sense of the word.

Does that make sense, Ty? People are disagreeing because you're saying he's not good enough to be untouchable, while simultaneously saying you would only trade him for a handful of names .. and you yourself are saying there's no one currently good enough, on the market, even worth considering..

So... by your own standards, Kyrie shouldn't be up for any trades.

That's why people are disagreeing with you.

 

[wremy]

Kyrie Irving: The sacred cow.

In a world where a better player was just traded; Kyrie is somehow untradable.

Jimmy is a better two way player but he has never put on the back to back performances Kyrie has in the last 2 finals in any series...he is coldblooded and when the lights shine brightest he he excels ...he is as good as offensive weapon as their is in the league

 

[Ohio]

Who the fuck cares? Kyrie is not going anywhere. Couldn't think of a less relevant thing to discuss right now but no surprise who is spearheading this nonsense.

 

[Gus Zing]

Jimmy is a better two way player but he has never put on the back to back performances Kyrie has in the last 2 finals in any series...he is coldblooded and when the lights shine brightest he he excels ...he is as good as offensive weapon as their is in the league

Kyrie's PER was just 19 in the finals. That is kind of amazing for a guy averaging 30 efficiently. His scoring was great, but he wasn't great overall.

Kyrie's +- wasn't great as well. Too many bad decisions that cost the team. But he's young, not in his prime and still learning.


Truth is Kyrie does get overrated at times here. Outside of Cavs fans people hold a number of pgs better than Kyrie. However, Kyrie is the only guard in the NBA outside of maybe Steph whose A game is better than anyone.

Having LeBron helps mask Kyrie's flaws and keeps him in the spotlight. With GS getting better, LeBron getting older its time for Kyrie's game to elevate. Its time to start making teammates better consistently.

 

[TyGuy]

Who the fuck cares? Kyrie is not going anywhere. Couldn't think of a less relevant thing to discuss right now but no surprise who is spearheading this nonsense.

I'm not the one saying he's untouchable or is about to lead an MVP campaign NEXT season.

 

[Fileman3]

So gilbert DOES think kyrie is move-able.........i agree with him kyrie is a amazing scorer and clutch.....but he is nor consistent at all ,has injurey problems (knees ) and is a terrible terrible defender i would trade him also

 

[Kizzle]

Some of you think Jimmy Butler is a better overall player than Kyrie??

Come on...

If we're talking strictly about talent, Kyrie is top 5 in the NBA.

The most talented point guard of all time in my opinion. Notice I didn't say he is the smartest, but most talented. Offensively Jimmy Butler is better at nothing. And it's not like Jimmy is Mr. Consistency at the offensive end either. You don't trade a talent like Kyrie to fill in a defensive hole, even if it is with a nice two way player. Kyrie is literally unstoppable at times.

Now the way we use Kevin Love against GS? That's replaceable. That's why the Cavs are willing to move him to fill that "2-way wing" hole, even though Kevin Love also has a ton of talent.

I've thought for a while now that Jimmy Butler is overrated. He cannot be a top 2 player on a championship team. He is not on the same level as Paul George.

All time?

Magic Johnson QUICKLY comes to mind.

 

[weepinwillow]

what 5 players would you move Irving for considering you have him locked up through 2020?

I'm not trading him unless I get back a guy I have under control through at least 2019 and who significantly improves my chances of beating the Warriors when paired with Lebron, and I don't think the Spurs are interested in dealing Kawhi.

 

[Kizzle]

Kyrie imo is untradeable for the same reason why ppl say Kobe is the #2 best player of all time.


Because when the shit hits the fan and you need a dude to hit a clutch shot Kyrie is always here for you. Hes only a 20 pt scorer....plays no D. But is a good teammate and locker room guy and will put a team on his back in a way that iv only seen LeBron, Wade, Melo, Kobe, and Dirk do. Probably some more but I only remember these guys ever doing it.


I think one of the most overlooked skills in the NBA is the ability to go 1 on 1 and score. Its a double edge sword. These players are given a lot of love and fanfare when it works but these players also seem to be automatic scapegoats when it doesn't. Look at Melo. Hes never won a ring and he may be a top 5 one on one scorer of all time. but he gets shit on to no end because he cant win. People even saying hed have no value on the open market like wtf.


People disrespecting Kyrie is crazy to me. I can only name KD and LeBron as guys id trust to get me one bucket over him right now. That skill is valuabl. Not Bledsoe and the 4th pick valuable. Like 1st pick in the draft valuable.

 

[weepinwillow]

I love KI, but is he a good lockerroom guy? I don't have any sense of that one way or the other.

(side note: Kobe is looking at Kizzle sideways for putting him on a list with Melo)