2019 NBA Draft Lottery

[The Human Q-Tip]

The next part of the article does put some more context to that though.

"He’s called basketball his “heartbeat” and famously said “I’m not a prospect. I’m a work in progress,” a nod that he understands that there is more work to be done. The most important and interesting point Reddish made was when he was discussing what he wanted to get out of college, and unpromptedly said “I need to be challenged...”

I don't see how that context makes it better -- it may actually make it worse. He's basically saying "I need someone else to motivate me." That's a terrifying admission from a top 5 prospect.

I think he did get challenged this season.

Then that's even worse, because he was challenged, and still didn't go hard consistently. This is honestly becoming circular to some extent with Reddish. When people point to his tendency to "float" and not go hard at Duke, we're told "well, that's because he was stuck in the shadows with Zion and RJ." But now when he admits that he didn't always go hard even before he came to Duke, and claimed that he "needs to be challenged", you're telling me that he did get challenged this season.

Which means that even when he does get challenged, he still doesn't go hard.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

If we managed to pull off a trade down with Atlanta, I'd like to go with best wing + best big.

But we'd have to move TT. No point in taking a big man at 8 & 10, and adding him to the current 4/5 logjam.

 

[inliner311]

I don't see how that context makes it better -- it may actually make it worse. He's basically saying "I need someone else to motivate me." That's a terrifying admission from a top 5 prospect.



Then that's even worse, because he was challenged, and still didn't go hard consistently. This is honestly becoming circular to some extent with Reddish. When people point to his tendency to "float" and not go hard at Duke, we're told "well, that's because he was stuck in the shadows with Zion and RJ." But now when he admits that he didn't always go hard even before he came to Duke, and claimed that he "needs to be challenged", you're telling me that he did get challenged this season.

Which means that even when he does get challenged, he still doesn't go hard.

It's definitely something we should be worried about. I do think the Cavs do give him a better fit overall. He will be able to be a point forward and split ball handling with Sexton on day one. As much as people harp on his 34% 3pt shooting, league average last season was 35.5%. If he is able to just get it to league average as a rookie, I think it's a place that coaching will focus in his mechanics, moves, and selection to improve his percentage over time.

I'd much rather trade down with the hawks and get Reddish at #8 and another prospect at #10. After the top 3, everyone has a decent size flaw that creates more questions than answers. I'm not sure the gap between #4 and #14 is even as big as between #3 and #4.

 

[Nathan S]

It's definitely something we should be worried about. I do think the Cavs do give him a better fit overall. He will be able to be a point forward and split ball handling with Sexton on day one. As much as people harp on his 34% 3pt shooting, league average last season was 35.5%. If he is able to just get it to league average as a rookie, I think it's a place that coaching will focus in his mechanics, moves, and selection to improve his percentage over time.

I'd much rather trade down with the hawks and get Reddish at #8 and another prospect at #10. After the top 3, everyone has a decent size flaw that creates more questions than answers. I'm not sure the gap between #4 and #14 is even as big as between #3 and #4.

Any precedent for a guy with such poor assist:TO numbers in college going on to be a point forward in the NBA?

 

[inliner311]

If we managed to pull off a trade down with Atlanta, I'd like to go with best wing + best big.

But we'd have to move TT. No point in taking a big man at 8 & 10, and adding him to the current 4/5 logjam.

My dream scenario is to trade down with the Hawks with something like #5 and two second round picks for #8, #10, and our 2020 pick back. Then trade JR for a pick in the teens while still keeping #26.

We end up with something like Reddish/White, Goga/Hachimura/Bol Bol, Langford/Porter, and Cam Johnson/Carsen Edwards.

 

[daddywags]

If we managed to pull off a trade down with Atlanta, I'd like to go with best wing + best big.

But we'd have to move TT. No point in taking a big man at 8 & 10, and adding him to the current 4/5 logjam.

That's kind of the issue I have. If the front office really thinks Cedi is best suited coming off the bench (or even if not) we really have no wings. We have zero at 2-guard, Cedi alone at SF, and, really, Sexton alone at PG (unless we intend to keep Knight and/or Delly). OTOH, we have Nance, Love, Zizic, TT and Henson (both of whom are 28) and, possibly, Chriss (who is only 21) as bigs.

I guess I would still take the BPA regardless of position (with the possible exception of doubling up on 6'1" point guards), but if a wing is a viable option I would strongly lean that way unless a big is just way better.

Of course, they could well be viewing it as a complete blow-up, starting with, say, Sexton, Nance and 13 open spots. In which case, anything goes.

 

[inliner311]

Any precedent for a guy with such poor assist:TO numbers in college going on to be a point forward in the NBA?

This article suggests that majority of Reddish's TO came in the paint and the rules of the NBA should help him alot.

https://www.dukechronicle.com/artic...g-cam-reddish-will-thrive-as-an-nba-playmaker

I think if you pair Sexton and Reddish, it's a real development process to get one of them to being the primary point. It most likely will be ugly to give both the reps but I think one ultimately becomes the primary and one drops back to be the clear secondary ball handler. If all goes well they just keep splitting the duties. Hopefully Cedi ends up being a high level 3rd ball handler to help out.

 

[WorldFreeB]

I'm not sure who we should pick at 5 but I know damn well I don't want Reddish.
I just don't get the hype on the guy. Yeah he's got the measurables but I see I guy who should have excelled playing around
great talent but instead some are using it as a reason why he didn't do well.
Overall he just doesn't look like a guy that "wants it" to me. I wouldn't take him at 8 or 10 either.

 

[ajz20]

Impossible to not get excited watching Goga.

Usually the people who come on visits are made public. Interested to see if the Cavs bring him in.

 

[inliner311]

That's kind of the issue I have. If the front office really thinks Cedi is best suited coming off the bench (or even if not) we really have no wings. We have zero at 2-guard, Cedi alone at SF, and, really, Sexton alone at PG (unless we intend to keep Knight and/or Delly). OTOH, we have Nance, Love, Zizic, TT and Henson (both of whom are 28) and, possibly, Chriss (who is only 21) as bigs.

I guess I would still take the BPA regardless of position (with the possible exception of doubling up on 6'1" point guards), but if a wing is a viable option I would strongly lean that way unless a big is just way better.

Of course, they could well be viewing it as a complete blow-up, starting with, say, Sexton, Nance and 13 open spots. In which case, anything goes.

I think we should be trying to draft guys that can play multiple positions especially ones that can play some combo of SG, Wing, and/or stretch 4.

It's why I hope Cameron Johnson is there at 26.

I agree we just have too many guys that can play center at the moment and only one that can play PF in the modern NBA in Love. Drafting another center creates alot of issues of who plays and for what purpose (development vs trade value).

 

[avs2000]

My dream scenario is to trade down with the Hawks with something like #5 and two second round picks for #8, #10, and our 2020 pick back. Then trade JR for a pick in the teens while still keeping #26.

We end up with something like Reddish/White, Goga/Hachimura/Bol Bol, Langford/Porter, and Cam Johnson/Carsen Edwards.

Not sure it could be done. But i would do all of that even if we dont get our 2020 pick back.

 

[Nathan S]

This article suggests that majority of Reddish's TO came in the paint and the rules of the NBA should help him alot.

https://www.dukechronicle.com/artic...g-cam-reddish-will-thrive-as-an-nba-playmaker

I think if you pair Sexton and Reddish, it's a real development process to get one of them to being the primary point. It most likely will be ugly to give both the reps but I think one ultimately becomes the primary and one drops back to be the clear secondary ball handler. If all goes well they just keep splitting the duties. Hopefully Cedi ends up being a high level 3rd ball handler to help out.

That all sounds nice in theory, but somehow it seems like 99% of prospects become less efficient when they step into the NBA, in spite of the 3-second rule and improved spacing and all. Instead of gambling on Cam bucking the odds, wouldn't it make more sense to simply draft someone who performed well in college?

Per-100 stats for reference btw:

Sexton (NBA): 4.6 assists, 3.5 turnovers
Cedi (NBA): 4.0 assists, 2.3 turnovers
Cam (NCAA): 3.6 assists, 4.9 turnovers

It would be crazy to give Cam reps as a ballhandler in the NBA. He'll get smoked.

 

[daddywags]

Yeah, I think it would be absolutely crazy to draft Reddish as a ball handler. As for the mention of Cam Johnson at 26 above, count me in.

 

[inliner311]

That all sounds nice in theory, but somehow it seems like 99% of prospects become less efficient when they step into the NBA, in spite of the 3-second rule and improved spacing and all. Instead of gambling on Cam bucking the odds, wouldn't it make more sense to simply draft someone who performed well in college?

Per-100 stats for reference btw:

Sexton (NBA): 4.6 assists, 3.5 turnovers
Cedi (NBA): 4.0 assists, 2.3 turnovers
Cam (NCAA): 3.6 assists, 4.9 turnovers

It would be crazy to give Cam reps as a ballhandler in the NBA. He'll get smoked.

I'm more playing devil's advocate here with Reddish. I think he has the high upside that needs to be explored at #5. If we had more tape on Garland I'd probably would be trying to talk about him too.

If anything I'm hoping for a trade up or down because I think the value is there both ways to better impact the team. I also think we should be swing for the fences with prospects with how teams are now putting heavy protections on draft picks, the change in the lottery, and how hitting on a star during a rookie contract is one of the few loopholes left in the league for a small market team to build a contender.

 

[sailfish]

My dream scenario is to trade down with the Hawks with something like #5 and two second round picks for #8, #10, and our 2020 pick back. Then trade JR for a pick in the teens while still keeping #26.

We end up with something like Reddish/White, Goga/Hachimura/Bol Bol, Langford/Porter, and Cam Johnson/Carsen Edwards.

I like where your head is at with that. I happen to think that four(4) 1st round picks in one draft is too many. I wouldn’t mind seeing this type of deal with Atlanta:

#5 pick, #26 pick, & JR Smith to Atlanta for Miles Plumlee, #8 pick, #10 pick, and our 2020 1st round pick back.

That seems like a fair deal for both sides.