2019 NBA Draft Lottery

[Ozone]

I think the problem with this draft is even over other drafts, you know there are a couple of nuggets outside Williamson/Morant, you know there is talent ready to be plucked and you know one of those teen picks, somebody is going to develop into a stud. That is what sucks. Its a total free for all of luck.

every draft has a player or 2 that were overlooked and actually fueled those players motivation to improve, where there are always several high ceiling players that get picked to bad situations and don't achieve their projected ceilings until much later or never.
I think the Cavs have the right mindset because of gambling on Sexton a kid who was always self motivated and didn't need extra motivation.
This is why they will not pick Reddish in addition to his failings his lone year at Duke. The likes of Culver and Hunter will appeal to them for sure but neither have elite upside just proven work ethic, but the self motivation and confidence of players like White,Barrett and Kevin Porter have to be the highest on their draft board in addition to the elite upside and solid rapid improvement of Sekou. I think there are a lot of questions about Bol and Reddish when it comes to self motivation that could make them think twice about taking either unless they were to trade down and pick up another asset and even then it's unlikely Reddish checks enough boxes to go before several others

 

[inliner311]

every draft has a player or 2 that were overlooked and actually fueled those players motivation to improve, where there are always several high ceiling players that get picked to bad situations and don't achieve their projected ceilings until much later or never.
I think the Cavs have the right mindset because of gambling on Sexton a kid who was always self motivated and didn't need extra motivation.
This is why they will not pick Reddish in addition to his failings his lone year at Duke. The likes of Culver and Hunter will appeal to them for sure but neither have elite upside just proven work ethic, but the self motivation and confidence of players like White,Barrett and Kevin Porter have to be the highest on their draft board in addition to the elite upside and solid rapid improvement of Sekou. I think there are a lot of questions about Bol and Reddish when it comes to self motivation that could make them think twice about taking either unless they were to trade down and pick up another asset and even then it's unlikely Reddish checks enough boxes to go before several others

This is a very good point. When checking boxes of everything and upside, Coby White might actually check everything but wingspan and standing reach. I could see those things being far enough down the list for a guard that he could be the pick for the Cavs with who is left at #5.

Really I hope we can trade up or down as unlikely as it is in the NBA to do so.

 

[Funkmastabuck]

I was playing around with the FanSpeak draft simulator and think I cracked the code.

When I took Bol Bool at #5, somehow DeAndre Hunter dropped to #26.

Yep, seems likely!

 

[sailfish]

every draft has a player or 2 that were overlooked and actually fueled those players motivation to improve, where there are always several high ceiling players that get picked to bad situations and don't achieve their projected ceilings until much later or never.
I think the Cavs have the right mindset because of gambling on Sexton a kid who was always self motivated and didn't need extra motivation.
This is why they will not pick Reddish in addition to his failings his lone year at Duke. The likes of Culver and Hunter will appeal to them for sure but neither have elite upside just proven work ethic, but the self motivation and confidence of players like White,Barrett and Kevin Porter have to be the highest on their draft board in addition to the elite upside and solid rapid improvement of Sekou. I think there are a lot of questions about Bol and Reddish when it comes to self motivation that could make them think twice about taking either unless they were to trade down and pick up another asset and even then it's unlikely Reddish checks enough boxes to go before several others

I think you’re on the right track. The Cavs front office isn’t afraid to take a risk, which I like & can appreciate.

That said, Bol is waaay too risky at #5, however, with his slight frame and injury history. I’d say there’s a better than 50% chance that he flops in the NBA. He’s the kind of guy you can gamble on at #26, if he’s still there, which he could be.

I’ve heard some of the whispers that Reddish doesn’t love the game and he doesn’t work hard. I don’t know where those rumors are coming from or if they’re true, but the Cavs have to get to the bottom of it. If that is true then you have to rule him out.

Culver & Hunter are safe picks, albeit with minutes upside. I like Garland, but how do you pair a 6’1” guard with another 6’1” guard?? Porter is a swing for the fences type of pick. Doumboya intrigues me and I’d like to learn more about him. Same for Nassir Little.

 

[BlessEm]

Reddish is a better 3 point shooter. Reddish also shot 77 from the FT Line, 73 for Langford. Reddish was also better at getting steals. Now as for reasons of shooting percentages I realize Langford was injured. But Reddish was really put in a poor situation playing next to Zion and RJ Barrett. He couldn't adjust to being the third option on a stacked Duke team. Tre Jones also got the ball more then him. Langford was chucker supreme on a crappy Indiana team. I trust who ever Beilein wants in this range. I am far from a Reddish fan but arguing Romeo Langford is better is just ridiculous.

I think this take is ridiculous..

You listed 3 things ...3p% , ft% and steals and called Romeo a , quote "SUPREME" chucker..

Reddish. 12 attempts a game at .356%
Langford. 12.3 attempts at .448%

Huh?

(Mind you, Romeo was 34 mins a game and Reddish 29.)

You even stated yourself one was option 1a on a shit team and one was a third option on duke with Zion and RJ. Who should have the better efficiency?

Who's the chucker?

Romeo 53% from 2p and Reddish 39%
Romeo 65% at the rim, Reddish 51%

You have ft, 3p% , and steals for Reddish. Gotcha. Every single catagory besides these, go for langford

Langford was better
-At the rim
-2p%
-Long 2%
-def. reb (even as a shooting gaurd)
-off. Reb. (Even as a shooting guard)
-assist
-blocks (even as a sg)
-efficience
-ts%
-turnovers (Langford 2.1 as a ballhandler compared to 2.7 for reddish)

But saying Langford is better or even comparing the two is ridiculous? Huh?!

 

[NMCav]

I think this take is ridiculous..

You listed 3 things ...3p% , ft% and steals and called Romeo a chucker..

Reddish. 12 attempts a game at .356%
Langford. 12.3 attempts at .448%

(Mind you, Romeo was 34 mins a game and Reddish 29.)

You even stated yourself one was option 1a and one was a third option on duke.

Who's the chucker?

Romeo 53% from 2p and Reddish 39%
Romeo 65% at the rim, Reddish 51%

You have ft and 3p% for Reddish. Gotcha. Every single catagory besides these 2 go for langford

Langford was better
-At the rim
-2p%
-Long 2%
-def. reb (even as a shooting gaurd)
-off. Reb. (Even as a shooting guard)
-assist
-blocks (even as a sg)
-efficience
-ts%
-turnovers (Langford 2.1 as a ballhandler compared to 2.7 for reddish)

But saying Langford is better or even comparing the two is crazy? Huh?!

7.4 Threes pointers attempted per game for Reddish. So that's more then 50 percent of his shot attempts. He had one role at Duke stand at the point line and wait for the ball. He didn't get the chances Romeo got because instead of being the only talent he was the third guy so he had to play his role.

He was the college equivalent of Kevin Love when he played with Kyrie and LeBron and couldn't adjust to the new role. He had to try to play a game that wasn't his own at Duke to fit in with the team. He really screwed himself over going to Duke where he couldn't showcase his skill set with Zion and Barrett in town. Reddish clearly has more talent and better shooting touch from range which is what you need in todays NBA. I personally don't want either player but if we waste a top 5 pick on Romeo Langford it would make me lose faith in Altman.

 

[inliner311]

What was said preseason of Reddish.

"Officially listed at 6-foot-8, 218 pounds with a 7-foot-1 wingspan, Reddish has the theoretical size to play across four positions. However, Reddish plays and sees himself as guard: “I am just tall enough to be a small forward. I’m best with the ball in my hands.” It only takes about five minutes of tape to see how true those words ring. Reddish is a strong lead guard who’s mastered the pick and roll game with an ability to thread the needle with either hand.

He’s a patient operator who surveys the floor and takes whatever the defense is willing to give up. If you overcommit he’s finding the open teammate. Give him too much space and he’ll shoot with no hesitation. Reddish shot a ridiculous 58.3 percent from 3 last season for Westtown high and was a 54.2 percent shooter during his time at Team USA. Whether it’s off the dribble or off the catch, Reddish has shown an ability to shoot it efficiently, which opens the door for him being effective with other ball-handlers. His signature move is a hard dribble step-back that seemingly always gives him enough separation to get his shot off."

https://www.thestepien.com/2018/08/05/preseason-thoughts-cameron-reddish/

 

[BlessEm]

7.4 Threes pointers attempted per game for Reddish. So that's more then 50 percent of his shot attempts. He had one role at Duke stand at the point line and wait for the ball. He didn't get the chances Romeo got because instead of being the only talent he was the third guy so he had to play his role.

He was the college equivalent of Kevin Love when he played with Kyrie and LeBron and couldn't adjust to the new role. He had to try to play a game that wasn't his own at Duke to fit in with the team. He really screwed himself over going to Duke where he couldn't showcase his skill set with Zion and Barrett in town. Reddish clearly has more talent and better shooting touch from range which is what you need in todays NBA. I personally don't want either player but if we waste a top 5 pick on Romeo Langford it would make me lose faith in Altman.

The thing is , Reddish DOESNT clearly have more talent or shooting touch from range. You just stated Reddish had one job, stand there and wait for a catch and shoot 3.. he shot 34%. Every other shooting stats goes to langford by a large margin besides three. Romeo through 500 hs games shot over 35% from 3, hurts his shooting hand and his 3p% fell last year. I get it.

Sure would he nice to see them switch spots

Romeo get to play with Zion and Rj and get no attention and stand there. Roll out a lineup of

Zion Williamson
RJ Barrett
Romeo Langford

And sure would be fun to watch Reddish lead that Indiana team.

 

[ShawnKempIsMyDad]

The two best players in the league right now, Leonard and Giannis, are workers. Pick hard workers. It’s worked well with Sexton so far.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I’ve heard some of the whispers that Reddish doesn’t love the game and he doesn’t work hard. I don’t know where those rumors are coming from or if they’re true, but the Cavs have to get to the bottom of it. If that is true then you have to rule him out.

When asked about his effort, Reddish is honest: “I don’t always go hard, which I’ve got to fix.”

https://www.thestepien.com/2018/08/05/preseason-thoughts-cameron-reddish/

The obvious question here is if he knew that he didn't always go hard, and that needed to be fixed...why didn't he fix it? Going hard isn't a skill like shooting, or dribbling, etc., where you need repetitions to improve. You just...play harder.

I can't imagine a truly satisfactory answer to the question of why he didn't already fix that flaw.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Langford is a very, very good finisher.

That’s obvious.

Pick Goga though.

 

[inliner311]

When asked about his effort, Reddish is honest: “ don’t always go hard, which I’ve got to fix.”

https://www.thestepien.com/2018/08/05/preseason-thoughts-cameron-reddish/

The obvious question here is:

"If you knew you had to fix that fact...why didn't you?"

I truly can't imagine a satisfactory answer to that question.

The next part of the article does put some more context to that though.

"He’s called basketball his “heartbeat” and famously said “I’m not a prospect. I’m a work in progress,” a nod that he understands that there is more work to be done. The most important and interesting point Reddish made was when he was discussing what he wanted to get out of college, and unpromptedly said “I need to be challenged.” "

I think he did get challenged this season. Maybe he realized he needed to work on playing off the ball and that's why he was willing to take the role he did at Duke. Definitely a question Koby should ask him during his interviews and something they need to dig into more.

 

[BlessEm]

Langford is a very, very good finisher.

That’s obvious.

Pick Goga though.

Impossible to not get excited watching Goga.

 

[BlessEm]

What do you all do if you are the Cavs, and let's say they love Hunter for example but have 3-4 other prospects high on that list. If it were presented we could get 8 and 10 from Hawks. Do you get cute and do that and take a chance you can get 2 prospects you are high on but lose your top prospect, or do you just take your guy at 5? Definitely starting to believe this is a deeper draft.

#5 Hunter

Orrrrr

Let's say
#8 Goga and #10 Langford

Whatcha do?

I could rock a young fun lineup of Sexton(19), Langford(19), Cedi(24), Love(30), Goga(19)

Actually a pretty nice lineup with shooting, length, defense, slashing, etc.

 

[inliner311]

What do you all do if you are the Cavs, and let's say they love Hunter for example but have 3-4 other prospects high on that list. If it were presented we could get 8 and 10 from Hawks. Do you get cute and do that and take a chance you can get 2 prospects you are high on but lose your top prospect, or do you just take your guy at 5? Definitely starting to believe this is a deeper draft.

#5 Hunter

Orrrrr

Let's say
#8 Goga and #10 Langford

Whatcha do?

I could rock a young fun lineup of Sexton(19), Langford(19), Cedi(24), Love(30), Goga(19)

I would definitely trade down. I think Reddish or Coby White would be there at 8. Then I would take Goga or Hachimura at 10. While still hoping that we can move JRs contract for a pick in the teens.