The 16-17 MVP Race

[SmudgeHog]

This is my list of top 10 in MVP voting

You can try arguing it, but good luck. This is a definitive list of the most impactful players this year.

James Jones' efficient 82 points is not as valuable as Goberts 627 pts, Jordan's 595 pts or Durant's 1262 points at a slightly less efficient rate. I'd go as far to say as only those last 3 have a meaningful sample size for the percentages to mean anything.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

James Jones' efficient 82 points is not as valuable as Goberts 627 pts, Jordan's 595 pts or Durant's 1262 points at a slightly less efficient rate. I'd go as far to say as only those last 3 have a meaningful sample size for the percentages to mean anything.

You're just jealous the Warriors don't have a shooter the caliber of Champ

 

[David.]

James Jones' efficient 82 points is not as valuable as Goberts 627 pts, Jordan's 595 pts or Durant's 1262 points at a slightly less efficient rate. I'd go as far to say as only those last 3 have a meaningful sample size for the percentages to mean anything.

Partially, but let's be clear on a point some people are now Also making that I was laughed at for making.

Usage^ TSv

 

[czvo]

I was definitely on the LeBron is the MVP bandwagon through the first half of the season, but I can't agree with that statement anymore. MVP is Harden's to lose.

 

[KilgoreTrout]

I was definitely on the LeBron is the MVP bandwagon through the first half of the season, but I can't agree with that statement anymore. MVP is Harden's to lose.

I will never take Harden seriously as an MVP candidate until he gets fewer gift fouls.

He still leads the league in FTA/game.

He CERTAINLY doesn't draw the most contact...

 

[Real Deal]

LeBron sniffs that MVP award my friends. His assist numbers have been climbing, I think he wants double digits. He shoots 10% points higher (54%) than Harden (44%), averages less turnovers, Harden shoots 4 more FTs so therefore he averages more points than Bron.

26 ppg vs 29 ppg, the added FTs makes that difference. Big number for Harden is 11 ast per game vs Lebron's 9.

If LeBron can raise it to double digits and raise his FG% like he's been doing, them I dont see how you can't give it to him, let's consider the age and miles too. I doubt Harden can be a LeBron at 32. Hell, he'll never shoot above 45% from the field.

LeBron also shouldn't sit, he needs to crap on bum teams while managing his minutes. Added stats will be a boost. Fuck Harden. Bring it home again Bronny!!

 

[Jstock12]

I would much rather give the MVP to Kawhi rather than Harden. Just give the award to the two-way player. 26ppg on 50/40/90 shooting while being a great defender is unprecedented.

 

[-Akronite-]

LeBron sniffs that MVP award my friends. His assist numbers have been climbing, I think he wants double digits. He shoots 10% points higher (54%) than Harden (44%), averages less turnovers, Harden shoots 4 more FTs so therefore he averages more points than Bron.

26 ppg vs 29 ppg, the added FTs makes that difference. Big number for Harden is 11 ast per game vs Lebron's 9.

If LeBron can raise it to double digits and raise his FG% like he's been doing, them I dont see how you can't give it to him, let's consider the age and miles too. I doubt Harden can be a LeBron at 32. Hell, he'll never shoot above 45% from the field.

LeBron also shouldn't sit, he needs to crap on bum teams while managing his minutes. Added stats will be a boost. Fuck Harden. Bring it home again Bronny!!

Record will matter. If the Rockets finish with a better record than the Cavs, I don't see how it happens for Bron. Yes we have injuries but nobody expected the Rockets to be in reach of the 2 seed in the West. Harden's over-achievements will earn him the trophy if they keep this pace or improve.

Love's injury may save LBJ's MVP possibility (which I stated was dead earlier because I'm reactionary and stupid why are you reading my post?) if he can still carry us to 60 wins, the 1 seed, and top 3 finish.

I'd rather see Harden win than Kawhi, but that's just bias on my part. That bias being that the Spurs have been treated enough and Harden has gotten massively snubbed previously. Just sits better with me for him to get the MVP if Bron doesn't.

 

[Real Deal]

Record will matter. If the Rockets finish with a better record than the Cavs, I don't see how it happens for Bron. Yes we have injuries but nobody expected the Rockets to be in reach of the 2 seed in the West. Harden's over-achievements will earn him the trophy if they keep this pace or improve.

Love's injury may save LBJ's MVP possibility (which I stated was dead earlier because I'm reactionary and stupid why are you reading my post?) if he can still carry us to 60 wins, the 1 seed, and top 3 finish.

I'd rather see Harden win than Kawhi, but that's just bias on my part. That bias being that the Spurs have been treated enough and Harden has gotten massively snubbed previously. Just sits better with me for him to get the MVP if Bron doesn't.

I think we all can start agreeing that Westbrook is out of it. He's a goddamn chucker that punks his big men for the rebound. I kid you not, the garbage rebounds goes to Westbrook. I seen Sabonis purposely box out his man for Westbrook to fly in for the rebound. It's like they run skits on how to do it.

He's also down to 40% FG, (hence the chucker) for the last 30+ days.

But right now I'd say

Harden 1a
LeBron 1b
Kawhi
Westbrook/Durant

All the Warriors should be banished from this award possibility to be honest.

Also, when these master debaters are at the table discussing, I hope someone comes out and says what is the Cavs record without LeBron in the lineup, how bad do they look without LeBron in the lineup vs the good side?

 

[Stark]

Westbrook's only chance is to average a triple-double, and I doubt that's going to happen to be honest.

He's at 30.9 / 10.4 / 10.1 right now, and his rebounding and assist numbers have been slowly but steadily decreasing throughout the season. No way he finishes above double digits in both of them. As soon as he loses that novelty, he loses the award, at least in my mind.

It's a three way race between Harden, LeBron, and Kawhi, in that order.

If Harden (or the Rockets) dip a bit, the door is definitely open for LeBron or Kawhi to win it.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Westbrook is falling out of voter grace fast because OKC is going to be like a 7 seed or something.

I'd say Harden is the favorite TODAY, but Kawhi and LeBron are both lurking.

Beverly just went down with a groin, if that causes Houston to fall off a bit, and LeBron has a monster finish to the season and we maintain the 1 seed...I could see him maybe having a chance.

 

[Cassity14]

I'll be shocked if Harden loses it. He's got the monster stat line, team jump in success, and some of the craziest individual game stat lines we'll see all season.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I'll be shocked if Harden loses it. He's got the monster stat line, team jump in success, and some of the craziest individual game stat lines we'll see all season.

I think LeBron is still in the running. If the Cavs kick ass all March and basically win almost every game LBJ plays in, but continue to lose when Bron rests...and if Bron keeps tossing up 15 assist triple doubles, and the Cavs finish as the #1 seed and a clear better record than Houston (they have 2 more losses right now, say if they end up 4 or 5 games worse this year...maybe he wins player of the month in March again, and of course at least a couple prominent media guys would probably have to create the narrative of Bron as MVP.. It wouldn't be shocking is all I'm saying.

I agree though, Harden is certainly the favorite, and if Houston wins 57 games(All they need is to go 16-7)...Harden with the 29-11-8 line(inflated due to their style of play of course....but he will still get the credit for it), he will almost certainly win the award.

I also think Bron's FT shooting hurts him a little bit. If he could just shoot 75%, his TS% would be pretty insane(consider he's 38.5% from three....Yikes)


I still feel like LeBron will win one more MVP...but it will probably have to happen in the next two or three years...

If Houston is a 2nd round exit, and LeBron again vanquishes the Warriors, as long as he plays 70 games next year, I think that might be his best shot at an MVP.

 

[Walter White]

NBA.com had the audacity to put LeBron 4th on the list in their latest update for MVP rankings. They put Harden, Westbrook, and KD ahead of him in that order. BS.

I think it goes Harden, LBJ, Westbrook, Kawhi right now. Westbrook has stuffed the stat sheet, but he doesn't have the record. I think it is between Harden and LBJ personally, whoever has the better record. LBJ having like at least a 5 win lead over Rockets probably gives him a more serious chance to win, otherwise it will be tough to top Harden right now.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

My rankings...

LBJ/Kawhi/Harden/Westbrook


Likely "official" rankings end of season

Harden/LBJ/Kawhi/Westbrook.