The Trump Administration (just Trump) Thread

[caf]

Yes.. there's this thing called trust. They are relying on that when ambushed with complex policy questions that they neither have the time or inclination to reasonably evaluate.

The point of the exercise was to determine if people judge policy based on the politician/party that proposes it, or if they judge policy based on the merits of the policy itself.

How else would you test for that?

The politician that proposes the policy is completely irrelevant to the policy itself. It's unnecessary information. The use of unnecessary information in a problem statement is used on every high school standardized test. I guess this just illustrates the idiocracy of the average liberal as they are unable to discard the tertiary information and form their own opinion based on the relevant data.

 

[Jack Brickman]

How else would you test for that?

Reading posts from you and Huber seems to confirm it as well.

I’d post the drum gif but I’m on my phone and that’s too difficult, so just pretend it’s here.

 

[gourimoko]

The point of the exercise was to determine if people judge policy based on the politician/party that proposes it, or if they judge policy based on the merits of the policy itself.

How else would you test for that?

You're not testing for it by ambushing people on the street who aren't actually fully considering what you're saying. They're just relying on the politicians name, not evaluating the policy proposal.

 

[KI4MVP]

You're not testing for it by ambushing people on the street who aren't actually fully considering what you're saying. They're just relying on the politicians name, not evaluating the policy proposal.

I though the first video was significantly better than the second one. They actually had people evaluate 3 specific policy proposals.

The video reminded me of an experiment I once did with a friend in the early 90s. I played some tracks from a new album from a group I knew he would have a negative bias against. I played several tracks, he loved them. While I played them, he kept asking who it was. I just told him - it's someone you know, but once I tell you who it is, you won't like what you just liked anymore. He didn't believe me. When I was done playing the tracks (skipping the couple that were too obvious), I told him he was listening to the brilliant album High Civilization by the Bee Gees. Of course, just as I predicted, he immediately stopped liking it.

Same thing happens in the first video. These people are preconditioned to oppose anything Trump. So when they heard the details of the Trump's plan, but with the credit given to someone else, they liked the ideas. We need to get back to the days where all that was important was good ideas, and stop worrying so much about who gets the credit. Start working towards consensus instead of the cycle of continuously escalating divisiveness where nothing gets done.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

You're not testing for it by ambushing people on the street who aren't actually fully considering what you're saying. They're just relying on the politicians name, not evaluating the policy proposal.

I understand your point, and it may apply for some people. But I suspect an awful lot of people never really evaluate policy proposals in any detail anyway. They judge candidates by rhetoric, and if they like someone, they support their proposals without ever actually studying them. Also, very heavily influenced/swayed by how the media chooses to report on a particular proposal.

 

[Hurl Bruce]

I though the first video was significantly better than the second one. They actually had people evaluate 3 specific policy proposals.

The video reminded me of an experiment I once did with a friend in the early 90s. I played some tracks from a new album from a group I knew he would have a negative bias against. I played several tracks, he loved them. While I played them, he kept asking who it was. I just told him - it's someone you know, but once I tell you who it is, you won't like what you just liked anymore. He didn't believe me. When I was done playing the tracks (skipping the couple that were too obvious), I told him he was listening to the brilliant album High Civilization by the Bee Gees. Of course, just as I predicted, he immediately stopped liking it.

Same thing happens in the first video. These people are preconditioned to oppose anything Trump. So when they heard the details of the Trump's plan, but with the credit given to someone else, they liked the ideas. We need to get back to the days where all that was important was good ideas, and stop worrying so much about who gets the credit. Start working towards consensus instead of the cycle of continuously escalating divisiveness where nothing gets done.

How the hell can your dopey friend hear any of their songs and not realize it's the Bee Gees?

 

[KI4MVP]

How the hell can your dopey friend hear any of their songs and not realize it's the Bee Gees?

Because for a good bit of that album they had a new sound (they used Prince's engineer) and I skipped the tracks that would have completely given it away . I don't want to sidetrack the thread (although maybe that's a good thing for this thread), but another story about the same album. I played it for another friend, he liked it enough to buy it, he told me one day he played it while he had friends over, one of those friends asked him "When do people get so old that they stop listening to great music like this and instead start listening to the Bee Gees."

 

[Hurl Bruce]

View: https://twitter.com/jules_su/status/921746793376960513


I hope they at least make him track down the Book of Secrets first.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

View: https://twitter.com/jules_su/status/921746793376960513

1) Any prior President could have announced they wanted to release them, and asked Congress to pass a law permitting that. None did - all were perfectly content for it all to remain classified.

2) The Trump-slamming tweet you posted "forgot" to mention that the law gives the President the option to intervene on his own authority and prevent the declassification. So, the law does not require release. Trump apparently is leaning towards permitting that information to be declassified.

If he follows through with that, than yes - it is perfectly fair for him to take at least some credit for their release.

I'm curious - is there some network of anti-Trump tweets you guys mine for this kind of garbage? I'm not on Twitter, but the format seems incredibly conducive to ideological circle-jerks.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

How the hell can your dopey friend hear any of their songs and not realize it's the Bee Gees?

For a lot of people, the only exposure they've ever had to the Bee Gees was Saturday Night Fever and the infamous falsettos. The Bee Gees did make some stuff that didn't sound like that. At least that's what Mrs. Q. tells me.

 

[Nathan S]

1) Any prior President could have announced they wanted to release them, and asked Congress to pass a law permitting that. None did - all were perfectly content for it all to remain classified.

2) The Trump-slamming tweet you posted "forgot" to mention that the law gives the President the option to intervene on his own authority and prevent the declassification. So, the law does not require release. Trump apparently is leaning towards permitting that information to be declassified.

If he follows through with that, than yes - it is perfectly fair for him to take at least some credit for their release.

I'm curious - is there some network of anti-Trump tweets you guys mine for this kind of garbage? I'm not on Twitter, but the format seems incredibly conducive to ideological circle-jerks.

I have to admit, "Ghouls Spooksdaltsev" does sound like a nefarious anagram of some sort

 

[Hurl Bruce]

So technically, the documents are set to be declassified next week and Trump is not choosing to keep them classified. I guess that does mean that he's allowing them to be released.

I wonder what real newsworthy event is set to come to light in the same time frame?

 

[Huber.]

You're not testing for it by ambushing people on the street who aren't actually fully considering what you're saying. They're just relying on the politicians name, not evaluating the policy proposal.

Don't pull a Hayward with your mental gymnastics

 

[Sebastian]

GOP Civil War looms. Bannon willing to go scorched Earth in a crucial midterm. It will either be very successful or catastrophic for the GOP. Running against your own Senators to save House seats is a novel approach; but possibly a case of nose spiting face.

The lesson of the Democratic Primaries shouldn't be lost on him. If you demonize your primary opponent enough, people may stay home just to spite the party in the general.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/21/politics/steve-bannon-george-w-bush-gop-convention/index.html

 

[gourimoko]

I understand your point, and it may apply for some people. But I suspect an awful lot of people never really evaluate policy proposals in any detail anyway. They judge candidates by rhetoric, and if they like someone, they support their proposals without ever actually studying them. Also, very heavily influenced/swayed by how the media chooses to report on a particular proposal.

Agreed.