Welcome 8th Pick from Brooklyn

[gourimoko]

Playing around with the trade machine.

They could offer us Bledsoe, Bender, Chriss for Frye, Shump and the pick. lol

Only way we trade for Bledsoe is if the Cavs organization isn't convinced IT will return 100%.

Suns get IT and he just rests the entire year further helping their tank job.

A 3-team trade makes some sense...

We end up with Bledsoe + an bona fide All-Star (???), the Suns facilitate and split the spoils with a third-team offering up the needed talent to make a deal work.

I mean, there are a lot of assets between the Cavs and Suns that a trade can be made with a third team and it might be difficult to foresee simply because of the fact that there exists a lot of potential for movement.

But I do think the Suns and Cavs are natural trading partners, especially with Thomas' contract situation, injury, and the numerous other question marks surrounding him .. but the Cavs would need substantial compensation for that pick -- likely in the form of an All-Star caliber player.

 

[gourimoko]

Plus you lose the ability to trade the Bkn pick if we decide to go that route.

You can trade the right to swap the pick, which is effectively close to trading the pick itself. You could also very likely get another pick back in a deal that large, if it were a problem.

Also, it's questionable if Thomas coming off injury would be a better option, net, over Bledsoe; particularly against the Warriors.

 

[The Red Viper]

Not interested in dealing with a Klutch client who might end up benched/barely playing when IT comes back. He doesn’t fit great either and I don’t like the way he’s handled an admittedly tough situation in Phoenix.

Plus you lose the ability to trade the Bkn pick if we decide to go that route.

Agree 100%.

We have enough problem integrating our glut of guards already. I don't see how adding another one solves ANY of our problems.

See, I agree with it.

But, I am not sure we can really depend upon Rose being healthy and IT coming back fully fit.

Thats my worry.

 

[TitleTown]

See, I agree with it.

But, I am not sure we can really depend upon Rose being healthy and IT coming back fully fit.

Thats my worry.

Sure, but we'll have time to make a move for something like that by trade deadline. And, we'll have a better prognosis on IT by then.

 

[The Red Viper]

You can trade the right to swap the pick, which is effectively close to trading the pick itself. You could also very likely get another pick back in a deal that large, if it were a problem.

Also, it's questionable if Thomas coming off injury would be a better option, net, over Bledsoe; particularly against the Warriors.

Exactly Gouri.

Its not like Bledsoe is a horrible 3-point shooter either. He is a solid-respectable 3-point shooter. So, in terms of fit, it will work out.

Bledsoe - JR - Crowder - LeBron - Love.

That is a very good starting 5 honestly.

 

[Cassity14]

True, you are absolutely correct. I know its too early but still, Kyrie Irving! Personally i always take the sure thing, I'm not much of a gambler.

The issue with the Suns and Kyrie is that he was not good enough to make them a good team. He wasn't going to magically take that group to the playoffs, so it doesn't make sense to move pieces of their rebuild. He would improve them enough to get them a worse pick, but not to be a playoff team.

They also were not on his list of preferred destinations, and there's no reason to believe he would have re-signed when he hit free agency. That's just not a risk that a team like the Suns can afford to take and be wrong on.

 

[gourimoko]

Sure, but we'll have time to make a move for something like that by trade deadline. And, we'll have a better prognosis on IT by then.

I think the concern here is how do we attack the Warriors...

If our goal is to become this ultra-defensive minded team that slows down the pace and roughs it out in the half-court; Thomas doesn't help us do that, and yet, Bledsoe does. Also, we may have an opportunity here to solve a problem before it becomes a problem; i.e., Thomas' impending free agency.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

You can trade the right to swap the pick, which is effectively close to trading the pick itself. You could also very likely get another pick back in a deal that large, if it were a problem.

Also, it's questionable if Thomas coming off injury would be a better option, net, over Bledsoe; particularly against the Warriors.

Yeah but you have to admit that still severely limits options with trading the pick.

First: the team trading the All-Star would have to have a pick to trade.

Then, if they do, that pick has to be a lot worse than the Nets pick to be worth an all-star.

Most of the time, if not all of the time, all stars become available because teams are underperforming or a star asks out(usually stars don’t ask out of winning situations)

Example: Pelicans. If they are trading Cousinw, it’s because they are missing the playoffs.

Say the Nets pick is #5. Pelicans are 13. For the sake of argument. Are they really gonna trade their star to move from 5 to 13?

Let’s look at the Butler trade. Chicago got 7, and gave up 16. But they also got Lavine and Kris Dunn on top of that, we don’t have Lavines or Dunn’s to throw in.

So yes, you can pick swap, but it severely limits the options you have with the pick and makes things much harder to get done.

I think Bledsoe’s a mediocre fit against the Warriors. He’s an average shooter at his absolute best. Too easy to defend. He’s just pretty similar stylistically to Rose and Wade

I’d prefer IT at 80% over Bledsoe. There’s no guarantee Bledsoe stays healthy either. He’s got bad knees. And also I really think his attitude and work ethic are big concerns.

I’d just stay away from him. Think it brings a whole set of problems we don’t need and I don’t think the ceiling is very high because I don’t think he’s a great fit.

 

[MirORich]

Once IT returns, based on both of their histories, I don't see how Bledsoe would be considered any more of a certainty to not get injured.

I want both, not an IT for Bledsoe swap. In the regular season, Bledsoe alone would be great and provide good offense in the wide open, easy going style of play that prevails before the playoffs. Probably even fine against the EC in the playoffs. But with Kyrie gone, I want IT's scoring ability(which is better and more diverse than Bledsoes) in a GS series. Yes, the defense is a huge concern but I don't see it as that worse than Kyrie's and as I said, I want both IT and Bledsoe.

Just think that the timing will throw this off, as we can't move off of 30% of our roster until Dec 15.

 

[Jscc]

Exactly Gouri.

Its not like Bledsoe is a horrible 3-point shooter either. He is a solid-respectable 3-point shooter. So, in terms of fit, it will work out.

Bledsoe - JR - Crowder - LeBron - Love.

That is a very good starting 5 honestly.

It is...

I'm mostly concerned about IT in the post-season. Golden State is going to switch Thompson and KD onto him every possession. He'll be helpless.

 

[The Red Viper]

I think Suns end up trading Bledsoe this week. Will most likely go to Denver imo if the reports of Denver offering Mudiay + Faried + 1st are true. Bucks also a good possibility if they have indeed offered Thon Maker + Monroe + Protected 1st.

 

[dark2332]

Exactly Gouri.

Its not like Bledsoe is a horrible 3-point shooter either. He is a solid-respectable 3-point shooter. So, in terms of fit, it will work out.

Bledsoe - JR - Crowder - LeBron - Love.

That is a very good starting 5 honestly.

Defensively, it's very good.

 

[The Red Viper]

Defensively, it's very good.

Even offensively tbh.

You have 3 great shooters + 2 solid shooters whom you can't sag off.

3 playmakers in LeBron + Bledsoe + Love. Bledsoe can bring the ball up the court and run some plays as well. He is still good at penetrating the paint.

Rebounding would improve as well as Bledsoe is one of the best rebounders in his position.

 

[The Red Viper]

Would you trade the Brooklyn pick if we can get BOTH Bledsoe + Josh Jackson?

I'm looking at something like Eric Bledsoe + Josh Jackson for Shump + Frye + Brooklyn Pick.

 

[gourimoko]

Would you trade the Brooklyn pick if we can get BOTH Bledsoe + Josh Jackson?

I'm looking at something like Eric Bledsoe + Josh Jackson for Shump + Frye + Brooklyn Pick.

I wouldn't trade the BKN pick for anyone who is not an All-Star and absolutely ready from Day 1 to help us win a title.

That BKN pick is looking like a Top 4 pick in a loaded draft.