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Green Lantern said:
I'll flame you because U didn't put enough into your edit..like what happened to Oladipo??? Did he become a superstar or all-star?
Dang if ya gonna do it , go all the way man.:gap:
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Well, I think we all know how Jordan turned out, and that's basically what I was hinting at, that Oladipo would become a superstar :)
 
In fairness. portland did go onto two finals. They lost to the detroit bad boys and then the defending champion bulls sandwiched between a western finals loss to the lakers.

so the Bowie draft pick didnt exactly cripple the franchise.
 
that's fine, but not the point, i want to pick the best player :)
 
I'm a big fan of Oladipo, and that's a great post Smooth. However, everybody is putting all the attention on how he's going to defend SF's. I would be more concerned on how he is going to score against these bigger, stronger players. He might get his shot blocked a lot if he has the 6'7 players draped all over him. If anything, he should be able to defend the players as e has elite defense, but offense is a whole different story.
 
getBUCKED said:
I'm a big fan of Oladipo, and that's a great post Smooth. However, everybody is putting all the attention on how he's going to defend SF's. I would be more concerned on how he is going to score against these bigger, stronger players. He might get his shot blocked a lot if he has the 6'7 players draped all over him. If anything, he should be able to defend the players as e has elite defense, but offense is a whole different story.
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I'm really not concerned about Oladipo's offense at all. He's not a guy who jacks up contested jumpers, and he's an elite finisher at the rim, so he's not gonna get blocked very much. He'll score an efficient 10-12 ppg on open 3's, offensive boards, transition buckets, and the occasional drive to the rim when there's an opening.
 
The Oladipo hyperbole has spiraled out of control
 
Nathan S said:
I'm really not concerned about Oladipo's offense at all. He's not a guy who jacks up contested jumpers, and he's an elite finisher at the rim, so he's not gonna get blocked very much. He'll score an efficient 10-12 ppg on open 3's, offensive boards, transition buckets, and the occasional drive to the rim when there's an opening.
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10-12 points on a #1 pick who can't operate in the half court doesn't really do it for me if he's not a rim protector like Noel. I like Oladipo a lot and think out of everybody in the draft he will reach his ceiling (which is very high). I just think he's 100% a SG who can play spot minutes at SF rather than a starting SF.
 
getBUCKED said:
10-12 points on a #1 pick who can't operate in the half court doesn't really do it for me if he's not a rim protector like Noel. I like Oladipo a lot and think out of everybody in the draft he will reach his ceiling (which is very high). I just think he's 100% a SG who can play spot minutes at SF rather than a starting SF.
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Oh yeah, I'm definitely not saying pick him at #1. Just saying he'll be able to do basically what he did in college on offense, that is, be an efficient low-volume scorer. I don't get the people talking about superstar upside. I can't picture him ever being a guy you can run your offense through. He's a role player.

Role players can be phenomenally useful as the Spurs are showing us right now, but they're not guys you can give the ball to against a set defense and expect them to create a high-percentage look. You need to get your superstar first, and then add your role players. I actually think Oladipo would be a great fit for us for this reason. We already have our franchise player, so we need to add role players, and Oladipo could be one of the best role players in the NBA. Again, don't underestimate the impact of role players. Look at the Spurs. Good role players are just as important to playoff success as superstars. You can't win without superstars, and you can't win without good roleplayers. Gotta have both. Oladipo isn't at the top of my board, but I wouldn't be too upset if we grabbed him at #1.
 
Nathan S said:
Oh yeah, I'm definitely not saying pick him at #1. Just saying he'll be able to do basically what he did in college on offense, that is, be an efficient low-volume scorer. I don't get the people talking about superstar upside. I can't picture him ever being a guy you can run your offense through. He's a role player.

Role players can be phenomenally useful as the Spurs are showing us right now, but they're not guys you can give the ball to against a set defense and expect them to create a high-percentage look. You need to get your superstar first, and then add your role players. I actually think Oladipo would be a great fit for us for this reason. We already have our franchise player, so we need to add role players, and Oladipo could be one of the best role players in the NBA. Again, don't underestimate the impact of role players. Look at the Spurs. Good role players are just as important to playoff success as superstars. You can't win without superstars, and you can't win without good roleplayers. Gotta have both. Oladipo isn't at the top of my board, but I wouldn't be too upset if we grabbed him at #1.
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I agree with you, except that if you look at his progression in his 3 years at Indiana and take his incredible athleticism/speed into account, it appears that there is a possibility of him turning into a pretty explosive scorer in the NBA. On our team though, with Waiters and Kyrie he would never be needed to fill that kind of scoring role. How you see Harden used to score between 10-25 points with OKC, now in Houston he's barely ever scoring below 25 points a game. Deepo wouldn't need to be crazy for us, which is kinda how his role was in Indiana.
 
http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2013/06/cavalier-nba-draft-film-room-victor-oladipo/

Awesome thread on Oladipo from today on WFNY.

Draft Express: With the ability to guard up to four positions at the college level, Oladipo projects to be able to defend all three perimeter positions at the NBA level, depending on matchups. He has the speed and quickness to cover point guards, and his athleticism, strength, and toughness should enable him to guard most small forwards as well. Coaches will likely value the flexibility Oladipo gives them on the defensive end, as they can cross-match and hide weaker defenders while putting Oladipo on the opposing team’s top perimeter threat, regardless of position.”
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WFNY: So, Victor Oladipo, number one pick? It’s certainly possible. This idea I’ve heard thrown around that the Cavs would be making a mistake with a “safe pick” or “highest floor” guy in Oladipo is just absurd to me. I’ll get into some of this more this weekend. Yes, Oladipo is a junior as opposed to many of these other freshmen and sophomores. But, in Mike Brown’s system, I see Oladipo as the best defender on the team in year one and a first-team All-NBA defender by year two or three. He’s that gifted on that end of the floor.

I know that having a shot-blocking center is in fashion right now, and for good reason. But, if Nerlens Noel isn’t a center longterm, I argue that Victor Oladipo can and will make just as much of a difference on the defensive end of the floor as Noel will from the power forward position. Oladipo, much like LeBron in Cleveland, does a fantastic job of being the defensive linchpin, roaming and creating steal and block opportunities. Having that guy to put on the other team’s best perimeter player is huge.

And, I do think that Oladipo’s offensive game is being undervalued. In a backcourt with Dion Waiters and Kyrie Irving, do you really need another guy who can give you 20 points? I don’t think so. You do need a guy who can hit open shots, be a good facilitator on offense, and hold his own when called upon. Oladipo can do just that. What you ABSOLUTELY need with a Kyrie-Dion backcourt is an elite defender. I know Oladipo is just 6’4 1/4″ tall, but with his 6′ 9 1/4″ wingspan, 42″ vertical, and every other eye-popping combine measurement, I think you could deploy a starting lineup with those three despite being on the smallish side. Unlike McLemore, I think Oladipo has the frame for consistently defending NBA small forwards. Sure, he’ll give up 2-3 inches most nights, but he’ll make up for it with his defensive prowess.
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gratefuldead said:
Bill Simmons almost had me convinced that victor should b the pick
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Bill Simmons watches less college basketball than I do, and I don't start watching until the conference tournaments.
 
Rich said:
Bill Simmons watches less college basketball than I do, and I don't start watching until the conference tournaments.
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fair enough but simmons and Ryen Russillo were talking about him...

simmons said VO was like tony allen with a 3pt shot already and has a higher ceiling if he works

that russillo guy said VO is already more than just Tony Allen w a 3pt shot. said hes better than that already and wasnt sure what his ceiling could be

tony allen w a 3pt shot isnt that bad, considering a lot of people on this board want to pay actual tony allen
 
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11 Minute Interview by Jalen Jose and Bill Simmons courtesy of Grantland.
 
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