Week 12 (11/30): Ravens (3-7) @ Browns (2-8) [8:30 PM EST, ESPN]

col63onel said:

I was there. Stayed the entire game and cheered for the Browns, despite any pro tank feelings. I have to be at work at 7.

No one can ever question my fan hood. Ever.

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You didnt stay for the aftergame soiree?

Just checked. Coons long in college was 48 yards. He has never in college or the NFL made an attempt within 3 yards of what he had to kick. I get that for most kickers it is a high chance, but Coons has been said to have a pretty weak leg by NFL kicker standards. The fact that we have passed up on multiple chances to kick a 50 yard field goal this year should tell you all you need to know about the confidence in Coons' range. If you choose to ignore that and think that doing a dive up the middle 2 yards out of his longest kick ever in college or the pros while ending the game with a timeout is the best option you are just burying your head in the sand, or being a contrarian

The Oi said:

Two things:

(1) Stop using the words "we" and "us" when you describe the Browns. I'm telling you, it is so freeing. You will instantly feel better.

(2) I can't fathom being at that game. Why do that to yourself? Moreso, I can't fathom not being extremely happy with the result even if you were there live. I'm proud to see that the board is mostly in agreement on that.

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I seriously don't get it either. Like how do people get pumped up for this garbage. I haven't missed a game on TV since 2005, but I wouldn't even consider spending money on this shit live the last few years. How were fans that upset about not being 3-8?

Joe Lull lobbing bombs on Twitter about the organization. He not with 92.3 anymore?

Chris said:

No, that is not in Coons' range from what I understand.

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He made a 48 yard FG in college, while 51 yards isn't in his sweet spot, when trying to win a game it's in his "range".

If you want to blame any one, blame Davis. He slid down, in bounds, without a defender within 4-5 yards of him.

Pettine deserves blame but Davis' move was pretty inexplicable to me as well.

The only defense Pettine has is that Davis hasn't played enough with this group to get a play called or spike it. If Mcown is in, they probably get a play called quicker.

That said, getting 2 plays run in 40 seconds with 2 timeouts is bad.

I'mWithDan said:

If you want to blame any one, blame Davis. He slid down, in bounds, without a defender within 4-5 yards of him.

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Lol it didn't even matter at that point, we still had TWO timeouts with only 10 seconds left.

Chris said:

Ok, so it's just "out of his range" then.

Like what the fuck? I know it's the Internet where semantics rule, but please.

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Even if it was out of his range (which it wasn't), at worst, the game SHOULD go to OT if the FG is missed. Is Pettine stupid for not having the foresight to see that the blocked FG will be returned for a TD?

Seriously, you guys are really stretching it here.... He thought they were in FG range, that's how he managed the clock and didn't want to risk going backwards.

Rob said:

Lol it didn't even matter at that point, we still had TWO timeouts with only 10 seconds left.

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When someone doesn't have a big leg, the difference between a 51 yarder and a 44-45 yarder is MASSIVE.

Davis just can't do that in that spot. He has to gut it out, potentially take a hit or at worst, get out of bounds to save the TO (and the couple of seconds that ran off from him sliding).

In the grand scheme of things, I don't really care but plenty of poo poo in this game. It wasn't just Pettine.

AZ_ said:

No, it's not out of any NFL kickers range to attempt a 51 yard field goal.

It's not out of most college kickers range, either.

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Just because it's possible he could hit the kick, does not mean it qualifies as "in his range." That isn't what that phrase means.

EdMonix11 said:

Even if it was out of his range (which it wasn't), at worst, the game SHOULD go to OT if the FG is missed. Is Pettine stupid for not having the foresight to see that the blocked FG will be returned for a TD?

Seriously, you guys are really stretching it here.... He thought they were in FG range, that's how he managed the clock and didn't want to risk going backwards.

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When there was 10 seconds left and the ball was on the 33 yard line, yes, they were in FG range.

Now lets talk about the play before when they were on the 45 yard line with 45 seconds left.

EdMonix11 said:

Even if it was out of his range (which it wasn't), at worst, the game SHOULD go to OT if the FG is missed. Is Pettine stupid for not having the foresight to see that the blocked FG will be returned for a TD?

Seriously, you guys are really stretching it here.... He thought they were in FG range, that's how he managed the clock and didn't want to risk going backwards.

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Nobody is blaming him for the block. This was addressed. They're blaming him for the horrible clock management which was ridiculed by the broadcast team as well as many on this forum.

You're right- it turned out to be inconsequential in the end. But it was worth mentioning, I doubt anyone on here saw it being blown up into a huge debate about Coons FG range. The guy has never kicked a fucking 51 yard field goal, yet you're so comfortable saying that kick is in his range. The logic on here is astounding.

EdMonix11 said:

I'm not saying it was perfectly managed but he didn't mangle anything. He thought they were in FG range and that's how he managed the time. Davis sliding and not going out of bounds was incredibly stupid, but I guess that's Pettine's fault too.

Since when does an NFL kicker have to "punch" a 50 yard FG? Jesus.

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So... Hartline catches the ball down to the 40. You have 2 timeouts and 45 seconds left. Even a 10 year old playing Madden knows what to do there.

If you call a timeout right there, your whole playbook is open including the middle of the field thanks to the extra TO and you get the time to draw something up and run at least a couple plays. Instead, Pettine did nothing and pissed away 27 seconds. By the time Davis snapped it at 18 seconds and slid in bounds (it was stupid but he never should've been put in the situation), Pettine had to burn a TO just to stop the clock from running out. With 8 seconds left at that point, he couldn't run anything that needed time to develop so he positioned the ball with his 2nd TO.

The reason Coons would've had to "punch" a 51 yard FG is because he's never made one. Ever. His collegiate high was 48 yards. That matches that stupid double penalty XP he made from 48 this year. That's it.

A good coach would know that and use his timeouts/run his playcalling strategically around getting his rookie kicker within 40-45 yards where he's made a handful this year. A bad coach would fuck it up miserably, be lucky to even get the kick off and watch his guy try to punch a kick at the back end of his range where it's very possibly going to get blocked due to the trajectory. And it was.

Game over. Pettine sucks.

I'mWithDan said:

When someone doesn't have a big leg, the difference between a 51 yarder and a 44-45 yarder is MASSIVE.

Davis just can't do that in that spot. He has to gut it out, potentially take a hit or at worst, get out of bounds to save the TO (and the couple of seconds that ran off from him sliding).

In the grand scheme of things, I don't really care but plenty of poo poo in this game. It wasn't just Pettine.

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He doesn't have a huge leg at all. This kind of supports my point (I know you're talking to someone else). Just because he hit a 44 yarder doesn't mean a 51 yarder is in his range. Anything over 50 yards, even in the NFL is not to be taken for granted, yet people on here are acting like college kickers make a trio of these a game let alone NFL kickers. Am I missing something?

Spectre said:

So... Hartline catches the ball down the 40. You have 2 timeouts and 45 seconds left. Even a 10 year old playing Madden knows what to do there.

If you call a timeout right there, your whole playbook is open including the middle of the field thanks to the extra TO and you get the time to draw something up and run at least a couple plays. Instead, Pettine did nothing and pissed away 27 seconds. By the time Davis snapped it at 18 seconds and slid in bounds (it was stupid but he never should've been put in the situation), Pettine had to burn a TO just to stop the clock from running out. With 8 seconds left at that point, he couldn't run anything that needed time so he positioned the ball with his 2nd TO.

The reason Coons would've had to "punch" a 51 yard FG is because he's never made one. Ever. His collegiate high was 48 yards. That matches that stupid double penalty XP he made from 48 this year. That's it.

A good coach would know that and use his timeouts/run his playcalling strategically around getting his rookie kicker within 40-45 yards where he's made a handful this year. A bad coach would fuck it up miserably, be lucky to even get the kick off and watch his guy try to punch a kick at the back end of his range where it's very possibly going to get blocked due to the trajectory. And it was.

Game over. Pettine sucks.

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He has never made a 51 yarder in his career. His longest EVER was 48 yards, dating back to his college career. The guy is also not known to have a big leg.

But....saying it isn't in his range is somehow this huge logic stretch, amirite.

Chris said:

He has never made a 51 yarder in his career. His longest EVER was 48 yards, dating back to his college career. The guy is also not known to have a big leg.

But....saying it isn't in his range is someone this huge logic stretch, amirite.

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I'm sure he has the leg to kick a 50 yarder even if it's at the back of his range. He's just never made one before at any level in a game setting. That alone should dictate that Pettine not put him in a situation to make that kick with the game on the line... but when you screw up your clock management so poorly, you don't really have a choice.